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Posted: 06/30/22 03:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

davehultin wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

Did you ever articulate these "nuances" and why a pickup was not suitable? I don't recall seeing it.


No, I didn't. One of the biggies is the length of the load. There have been a few times when one of the items we need to haul to a glamping event is a rolled-up carpet. In our Expedition that goes from the back to the front, and on top of the console in the front seat. Can't successfully pull that off in a pickup.

Everything else is "naunce-ier" but still factors in to the decision, like being able to go into the side doors to get smaller packages out of the side instead of craning over the sides of the truck bed or scuttling in from the gate (and presumably squatting down to clear the topper).

Plus my wife is happier with an SUV instead of a truck, and I like the way she prepares supper. :-)



All perfect reasons that the "get a van because I have one and am jealous of those that drive fancy trucks and suvs" crowd couldn't wrap their heads around. Especially the last reason....I'm not skinny, because I try to stay on my wife's good side!


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Bells and whistles are good for the business. A basic vehicle does not put forth the image of a "glamping expert." Does Lincoln still make something on the Expedition platform?


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mkirsch wrote:

Bells and whistles are good for the business. A basic vehicle does not put forth the image of a "glamping expert." Does Lincoln still make something on the Expedition platform?


But apparently exorbitantly heavy, according to Scooby, where AC and some upgraded seat fabric and power windows adds 1000lbs to a single cab truck! ROFL

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All perfect reasons that the "get a van because I have one and am jealous of those that drive fancy trucks and suvs" crowd couldn't wrap their heads around. Especially the last reason....I'm not skinny, because I try to stay on my wife's good side!


I think I'm the one that suggested a van. When I bought my last new one, 1979, I could of speced it out with any bells and whistles available on a F 150 at the time, plus the rest of the interior finished as nice. (I didn't because I wanted things not available from factory. I built a sports car; Van with bed and bar in back) I assumed that the trim levels available have kept up with pickups.
But my experience with trucks/hauling/towing says that van/PU with same drivetrain and suspension van would tow TT better. Pickup has that extra 5+ feet between cab and trailer for wind to Richard with you. The extra over hang of the pickup gives trailer more leverage to impart side to side and up/down motion into TV.
BTW, I drive a pickup, not a van

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OP here, thought I'd come back for a report on our first trip with the new tow vehicle (2019 Ford Expedition Max) pulling our trailer. The short version: I'm really REALLY liking this vehicle a LOT!

A little more about the trip:

The non-towing highway mileage increased from approximately 17 (on the previous 2010 Expedition) to 25 MPG. I was hoping the towing mileage would see a nice increase too. There was an increase, but pretty small: From 7 to 9 MPG.

It was hard to believe I was even towing! This machine pulls like a dream! Even going through construction zone with head-to-head traffic and staring down the 18-wheelers coming against me, the rig just didn't budge! Everything about pulling the trailer was as smooth as butter!

Well, almost everything. We had a tire blow out on the trailer about seven miles into the return trip. Can't blame that on the Expedition, though. But that's a story for another day (or my next post). :-/

Other things I like:
* Hands-free parallel parking. (Without the trailer, of course!) Hands-free perpendicular parking didn't go as well, but I can still do that on my own.
* Integrated brake controller. I really like my stand-along brake controller, but it's nice to "just go" and not have to remember to hook up another thing.
* The dashboard is heavily digital, but in a clean way that's not annoying.
* It appears that just hooking up the trailer also does an automatice light check. I can't confirm that yet, I'll still send my son to the back to do the visual check, but that appears to be the case. (Some car wash water appears to have gotten into the 7-pin connection and temporarily caused some electrical wackiness, causing the system to think the trailer was hooked up, and then reporting that one of the trailer lights wasn't working.)
* I thought the seat massager was way over the top, but when I sensed a drowsy moment coming, turning on the massager got enough movement in my body to keep my drive going in the right direction.
* The sunroof will rarely be open, but when it is ... oh my goodness that's a huge piece of glass to look through!
* And worth repeating: The power and mileage are amazing!

Also worth noting, I'm working through the learning curve of using the assisted back-up. The tiny knob is no steering wheel replacement, but I think I'll get to like it. It didn't do so hot on cranking out a hard turn to back into my driveway, but I did notice that if I have enough space to get a roughly-right aim at my back-up target, I could fine-tune pretty nicely with the assisted back-up, and then once I had fine-tuned it enough to have the trailer lined up to go straight back I could just go hands-free on the assisted back-up and let the Expedition get the trailer in exactly the right place, even if the Expedition was at a crazy angle compared to the trailer.


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Cool!!
Now all the people who freak out when someone says suv and decent size trailer, can calm down!

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Think about it, increasing from 7 to 9 MPG is a 28% increase. That's HUGE.

It takes energy to move weight. Some of it is wasted but not as much as you think.

The trailer backing assist system is for people who haven't already developed skills to back trailers. Your learning curve is due to old habits that are counter to the new system.

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mkirsch wrote:

Think about it, increasing from 7 to 9 MPG is a 28% increase. That's HUGE.


Yes, you're exactly right to put it in those terms. As long as I'm trending in the right direction for MPG I'm happy. We didn't get into camping to save gas!!! The family memories are invaluable compared to the cost of gas (even as these prices).

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Glad you found an Expy that works. That Glamping business idea is pretty cool, we have a friend that did one for her girls birthday.

Did she think about an enclosed trailer?? She could have her logo and contact info and have a rolling billboard. Also, she might be able to leave some of the stuff in the trailer, and not have to load/unload as much.


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davehultin wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

Think about it, increasing from 7 to 9 MPG is a 28% increase. That's HUGE.


Yes, you're exactly right to put it in those terms. As long as I'm trending in the right direction for MPG I'm happy. We didn't get into camping to save gas!!! The family memories are invaluable compared to the cost of gas (even as these prices).


Common issue with using MPG. Example: Your family has 2 vehicles used similar miles and you want to replace one of them. A small car going from 40 to 50 MPG, sounds better than a truck going from 15 to 20 MPG. 10 more is better than 5 more of course...

But if you are driving say 12,000miles per year with each, the truck's improved MPG is by far the bigger impact on your wallet. Assuming $5/gal:
- Car goes from $1500 to $1200 per year in gas. ($300 saved)
- Truck goes from $4000 to $3000 per year in gas. ($1000 saved).

In Europe they use liters per 100km (translates as gallons per 100miles). Same basic data but gives the buyer a number closer to what they are really after. In our example:
- Car goes from 2.5 to 2.0 gal/100mile or 0.5 gal less every 100miles
- Truck goes from 6.7 to 5.0 gal/100mile or 1.7 gal less every 100 miles


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