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shelbyfv wrote:Grit dog wrote:ya feeding back the grid with your EV….I can’t even begin to explain how ignorant that notion is…. I'm sure you can't!! ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead") It's known as V2G and it will be ready when you are. Here's a Wiki link, they generally use easy words.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-to-grid
Yes, plenty of easy words to digest, perhaps you should read some of them. Most of the drawbacks are later in the article where you may have lost interest. But you could earn $400 per year by utilizing V2G in your home.
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid.
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time2roll wrote:Yes because everyone is getting a PTO generator for home backup due to the low cost and high efficiency ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif "rolleyes")
I was speaking of the Frod Powerboost truck, which has a built in generator for 7kw of AC power. Yes it's an expensive generator but not as dumb as the notion of using the grid to charge your vehicle and then selling them back a half a battery of power.....And then what do you do with the vehicle? Wait until you have power to charge it back up from the same source that you just gave it back to?
But I dont expect the dreamers to accept things like reality and feasibility when trying to blindly push some weird agenda that gives them a warm fuzzy feeling...
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tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
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time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
Good point. So the usefulness is limited to areas that suffer from brownouts or have on-peak/off-peak utility rates.
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tommyznr wrote:time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
Good point. So the usefulness is limited to areas that suffer from brownouts or have on-peak/off-peak utility rates.
Great point, but still wholly un-practical. Besides, Shelby’s whole argument was V2G not V2H (home). Just not quite as dumb as V2G.
Use up your car battery capacity charging it on off peak and then running your house on peak?
In concept there’s a PT Barnum sales pitch lurking there. In reality, do you, t2r, or any of the other dreamers have a solid estimate of the cost of the proper size inverter and setup and how long your Tesla will run your 30 ton air conditioner and/or the rest of your house?
I can tell you the answer is, not cheap, and not very long….
Keep dreaming though! Build back better baby!
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tommyznr wrote:time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
Good point. So the usefulness is limited to areas that suffer from brownouts or have on-peak/off-peak utility rates. I believe the primary use would be to power the home during a short term outage.
Yes I suppose the truck could be used to avoid peak rates. Although a dedicated battery might be better for this daily use case.
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time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
Good point. So the usefulness is limited to areas that suffer from brownouts or have on-peak/off-peak utility rates. I believe the primary use would be to power the home during a short term outage.
Yes I suppose the truck could be used to avoid peak rates. Although a dedicated battery might be better for this daily use case.
And, since this is about V2G (vehicle to grid) technology it validates Gritdog's comment.
V2G might have applications for government fleets via mandate, Universities for grant money and those individuals/companies that want to feel like they are saving the planet.
After all, there are thousands of companies and individuals who are willing to pay higher electric rates to get "solar power" from the utility.
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Grit dog wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Grit dog wrote:ya feeding back the grid with your EV….I can’t even begin to explain how ignorant that notion is…. I'm sure you can't!! It's known as V2G and it will be ready when you are. Here's a Wiki link, they generally use easy words.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-to-grid
Not sure why you feel the need to try to be condescending…. But I do feel bad, that you’re unable to understand how impractical and inefficient it would be for someone to plug in to charge their car and then use thier car battery bank to V2G…. Or were you only referring to the EV owners that have their own wind farms and solar arrays?
Good grief. Well, you did call me a "Yosemite." Don't know what that is but probably not a compliment. Next there was "I can't even begin to explain how ignorant that notion is...." I think your rep here is keyboard bully. If you are going to dish it out, don't get butt hurt when you get some back.![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink") Anyway, back to V2G. Obviously it's not ready but it's being worked on by folks smarter than you and me. Turtle's link shows that the grid is taxed only a few hours a day. Storing energy and having it available when needed would keep us from having to increase the capacity of power plants just to satisfy a transient peak demand. Maybe think of it like a well filling a water tank.
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time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:time2roll wrote:tommyznr wrote:
It reads like your typical Popular Science article from my youth. Lots of cool technology on the horizon, not much of that technology was able to live up to the pipe dream that we read about.
Power companies will love you though. Buy your power retail and sell that same power back wholesale if you are not using your car today. With a thousand different utilities there are a thousand different rate structures so your mileage may vary depending on where you live. If you read any solar forums, you will find that more and more utilities are making it harder and harder to resell solar back to the grid. Are you sure the power must be fed back to the utility vs just powering the home? No export inverters are fairly common.
Good point. So the usefulness is limited to areas that suffer from brownouts or have on-peak/off-peak utility rates. I believe the primary use would be to power the home during a short term outage.
Yes I suppose the truck could be used to avoid peak rates. Although a dedicated battery might be better for this daily use case.
Nope don’t change the subject.
Using them during an outage at least makes a tiny bit of sense, although you haven’t done that math either….
But your buddy Shelby was specifically referencing V2G wherein one charges at off peak and sellls back at peak. As stupid as that is, it’s not near as stupid as buying a 100k pickup truck to keep your lights on when Cali has a brownout.
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For such a stupid notion, it seems V2G is better developed than I thought. Here's what Porsche is up to https://electrek.co/2022/04/08/porsche-proves-the-benefits-of-v2g-technology-by-pooling-its-evs-together-to-help-stabilize-electrical-grids/ Of course, they are probably math challenged morons who reached their peak in HS algebra!
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