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pianotuna

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California is testing using "power walls" to help support the grid. The test case will connect 1500 power walls. They are going to pay $2.00 per KWH to the power wall owners. /


So an expensive state funded high school level science experiment?
You do realize how ridiculous this sounds?


Did you follow the links?

I think not--or you might realize that Elon Musk's company is paying the $2 per kwh, not the Government.


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You got me… so publicity excercise and tax deduction… got it.

Oh, and I don’t care….


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When we see UPS EV local delivery trucks we will be a long way towards practical EV MD trucks.
Ok these have been rolling for a while now. FedEx too. Amazon has also recently joined with vans from RIVIAN.


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What is the missing information when it comes to EV’s is the future cost of electricity! It will take many dollars to bring up the grid and generating capacity to support all the new EV’s.


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Lots of things are missing, cost of electricity only being one of many. If the gov has to mandate them for We the People to buy them there must be a problem. If they were affordable, dependable, and capable - they would sell themselves. We the People aren’t stupid, we’re realists.

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What is the missing information when it comes to EV’s is the future cost of electricity! It will take many dollars to bring up the grid and generating capacity to support all the new EV’s.


Nooooo
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Lots of things are missing, cost of electricity only being one of many. If the gov has to mandate them for We the People to buy them there must be a problem. If they were affordable, dependable, and capable - they would sell themselves. We the People aren’t stupid, we’re realists.


Yep, the gov could not even commit to all ev for the postal service, it started at 10% for all new vehicles and then got shamed into going 40%.

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What is the missing information when it comes to EV’s is the future cost of electricity! It will take many dollars to bring up the grid and generating capacity to support all the new EV’s.

Really all it will take is the will to do so.
Creating the car was the challenge.
Developing the infrastructure is more about desire and mindset.
If you are a "Doubting Thomas" it will never work.
There will be 1000 reasons why it can be done.
But if you have the desire to make it happen it can be achieved


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Lantley wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

What is the missing information when it comes to EV’s is the future cost of electricity! It will take many dollars to bring up the grid and generating capacity to support all the new EV’s.

Really all it will take is the will to do so.
Creating the car was the challenge.
Developing the infrastructure is more about desire and mindset.
If you are a "Doubting Thomas" it will never work.
There will be 1000 reasons why it can be done.
But if you have the desire to make it happen it can be achieved


I didn’t say that they couldn’t improve the infrastructure, just that it will take lots of dollars and the rates will go up.

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rhagfo wrote:

Lantley wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

What is the missing information when it comes to EV’s is the future cost of electricity! It will take many dollars to bring up the grid and generating capacity to support all the new EV’s.

Really all it will take is the will to do so.
Creating the car was the challenge.
Developing the infrastructure is more about desire and mindset.
If you are a "Doubting Thomas" it will never work.
There will be 1000 reasons why it can be done.
But if you have the desire to make it happen it can be achieved


I didn’t say that they couldn’t improve the infrastructure, just that it will take lots of dollars and the rates will go up.

That is the real battle of EV's and going green. Who will control the profits? The fossil fuel guys are not giving up on oil dollars without a fight. There is no dominant industrial force in place on the green side to push issues and control where the dollars will come from and who the will go to.
The finacial side of going green is still in its infancy. Until a business plan/ game plan is put in place to finance large scale green energy there will be lots of debate on going green and its benefits/usefullness.

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