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Well FWIW, with our onboard converter-charger switched off, the 2200 Honda runs our 11kbtu Coleman (with Easy-start) in Eco without a hitch - but my understanding is that what happens (at least with a single Honda) is that it’ll handle brief excursions to max wattage (say to 2000w), but rated at 1600w on a continuous basis - this to allow for such things as compressor starts - I’ve not heard of a ‘30 min rule’ (makes no electrical sense to me…), so it still seems a bit odd that two paralleled Honda 2000’s would not be designed to replicate this same common sense and practical feature??
On a slightly different note, motors do tend to draw more running amperage after initial warm-up (20 or so minutes), and at temps rising above about 95d/f, while altitude will slightly de-rate generator output…
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3 tons wrote:Well FWIW, with our onboard converter-charger switched off, the 2200 Honda runs our 11kbtu Coleman (with Easy-start) in Eco without a hitch - but my understanding is that what happens (at least with a single Honda) is that it’ll handle brief excursions to max wattage (say to 2000w), but rated at 1600w on a continuous basis - this to allow for such things as compressor starts - I’ve not heard of a ‘30 min rule’ (makes no electrical sense to me…), so it still seems a bit odd that two paralleled Honda 2000’s would not be designed to replicate this same common sense and practical feature??
On a slightly different note, motors do tend to draw more running amperage after initial warm-up (20 or so minutes), and at temps rising above about 95d/f, while altitude will slightly de-rate generator output…
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And that may be the issue. Same test will be done when we install the SoftStartup.
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3 tons wrote:Well FWIW, with our onboard converter-charger switched off, the 2200 Honda runs our 11kbtu Coleman (with Easy-start) in Eco without a hitch - but my understanding is that what happens (at least with a single Honda) is that it’ll handle brief excursions to max wattage (say to 2000w), but rated at 1600w on a continuous basis
The EU2200i is rated at 1800 watts continuous.
That's the same continuous rating as a lot of other manufacturers' models equipped with 33% smaller engines.
What does that tell ya?
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“What dies that tell ya?”
Maybe, you get what you’re willing to pay for??
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Our Westinghouse i4500 has a generous gas tank and ran both our 15kBTU ACs (with EasyStarts) at 9400ft a month ago (didn’t need it nearly as much as the week before at 6000ft when temps were near 100 ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") It is 100lb instead of 50 though…
3Tons - not sure your 11kBTU AC experience applies very well to most that have 13.5 or 15kBTU ACs…
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“ 3Tons - not sure your 11kBTU AC experience applies very well to most that have 13.5 or 15kBTU ACs… ”
Your Correct
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3 tons wrote:ktmrfs wrote:Several dry campers we know including us have installed the easy start on 13.5K BTU AC units with very good results. However I will point out one thing to consider regarding the honda 2000 and the easy start. The honda 2000 engine is pretty much max'd out so output max power goes down with altitude. We found that around 3500ft density altitude the 2000 is likely to overload, luckily the easy start just shuts the AC down for about 5 minutes rather than having the honda completely kick out. This is with all other 120V loads including the converter power turned off.
solution honda 2200. it has a much larger engine and even at 8000+ft it can run the AC unit and still have about 300watts to spare. As a check with a honda 2200 we ran our AC at around 8000ft in 100F temps and I turned the fridge on AC just to see what would happen, 2200 kept on running, no overload.
Before the easy start I was lugging around two honda 2000's, paralleled for AC, when the honda 2200 came out i bought one, gave one 2000 to our son, and for a while carried around a 2200 and 2000 as a "just in case" for AC when boondocking. Gave that up, never have needed more than the 2200 even at very high altitudes. Solar charges the batteries,
Agreed, me too…At high altitudes and temps (100d/f) my 2000 struggled - Eco mode was not an option…The difference between the 2000 and 2200 is much more than just the 200w, mainly because of the 2200’s larger GX commercial engine and viable Eco operation…
However, I later discovered that my pass-thru PSW inverter was the single biggest culprit at preventing Eco mode operation because it would ‘disqualify’ in coming genny power upon compressor starts when in the (low RPM) Eco mode…
So after a ton of study and consternation, I did a workaround by adding a dedicated, corded genny-eco ATS switch around the ‘too smart’ inverter (at it’s output), and all was resolved, except that now with the LFP’s, solar and Easy-start I haven’t had much of a need to run the genny for quite some time…I still carry it just in case…
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yes the 2200 has a 125cc enginve vs the 100cc or less on the 2000, What I've found is that the 2000 can put out the continous or peak power at sea level and goes down above sea level, even at altitudes <1000ft while the 2200 seems to be able to put out continous or peak rated power even at 8000+ft w/o installing the high altitude jets.
I've found even at 8000ft I can start the AC with the generator in eco mode w/o any fuss. But then I don't have a inverter transfer system in place.
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“ I've found even at 8000ft I can start the AC with the generator in eco mode w/o any fuss. But then I don't have a inverter transfer system in place.”
That’s good news…What size is your air conditioner?…Easy-Start??
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3 tons wrote:“ I've found even at 8000ft I can start the AC with the generator in eco mode w/o any fuss. But then I don't have a inverter transfer system in place.”
That’s good news…What size is your air conditioner?…Easy-Start??
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easy start. I have a coleman MachIII 13.5K BTU from around 2010 and my brother has a dometic 13.5K unit, also with easy start and a honda 2200.
On both our units a honda 2000 would start on eco, but the easy start would cycle the AC on and off due to generator overload above about 3500 ft or so. run for 20 minutes or so, then cut off the AC for 5-10 minutes, then start back up.....
The coleman power cub 9000BTU unit on my small trailer runs fine on a 2000 even at 8000 ft or so w/o any mod's, starts fine runs fine, but only draws about 9 amps IIRC and has a much lower LRA.
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