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" Under the right conditions we would certainly pay a surcharge."
Who decides these conditions? and would you ASSUME you could just hook up and charge for free??
Asking for a friend ! :-)
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wanderingaimlessly
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Funny, nobody addressed what I thought was really odd about the article on this prototype. Supposedly this thing will "help" the tow vehicle to gain range.
Either the trailer would have to have a large battery and a means of providing power TO the tow vehicle, which currently the EV's are not set up to accept.
Or, it would have it's own drive motors to assist in propulsion.
If it provides propulsion via its own wheels, that will get interesting for how quickly it senses what is needed, and actually how the tow vehicle could end up reacting to the "push" from the trailer. And a flat tire on the trailer would do??????
Also, how heavy will this battery pack have to be? What starts out as a small light trailer will get heavy in a hurry.
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Gdetrailer
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Reisender wrote:
Who knows. All above my pay grade as I haven’t looked into any of the EV trucks.
There are thousands of EV RVers out there though and we have talked to many. Generally speaking I would say that most are happy to pay a charging surcharge at a campground as long as it has value for convenience. It really hasn’t come up for us yet. We have only hit one campground where they had a 10 dollar charging surcharge and only if we rented a 50 amp site. That night we were around half on the battery so it didn’t make sense. The owner was fine with us charging on a 30 amp site for 10 or 12 hours overnight. Under the right conditions we would certainly pay a surcharge.
I wouldn't want to pay a "surcharge" to camp, I suspect very few of those you have talked to fully understand what is and will happen.
Unless the campgrounds install a metered charger at each and every campsite what WILL happen is the campgrounds will simply tack on an additional increase to the cost of the campsite FOR EVERYONE.
EVERYONE will have to "share" the cost for the abusers and that is not fair or right to those who do not abuse the system. Campgrounds at one time used to charge lower rates for those who didn't have or use A/C.. People could (and most likely did) lie and tell campground that they will not use their A/C.. Campgrounds smartened up and raised the rates for ALL campers (including tent only) and no longer offer lower rates for those who will not use A/C.
Some campgrounds I have been at recently cost have exceeded $100 per night. I would not wish to see that bump up any more just to support the EV free loaders. Because of the increased costs I am changing plans next yr to camp out of season to get some reprieve from the cost.. The one campground when I first started camping was $30 per night total in the early 2000's, this yr $100 plus state and local taxes..
Many campers are not made of money, they are real families trying to take their families out on an adventure, tacking on additional nuisance fees to cover free loading EV campers should not be a part of the cost to those folks but it will be eventually.
You act like electricity is free, it isn't, it has a cost associated with it and that cost to produce, distribute and maintain goes up dramatically when you abuse it.
Campgrounds absorb the cost of electric for all sites, that cost is then averaged by the quantity of the sites. The result of that is figured into your campsite cost. As cost goes up to the campground and folks abuse the electricity the campgrounds adjust their prices for next yr accordingly. They are in the business to earn a profit, enough profit to pay for operations, taxes, infrastructure, pay employees and yes, pay the owners some sort of livable wage.
My electric rates were increased 20% this spring adding another $25 to my monthly electric bill.. I count myself lucky, as my rate went from $.10 per Kwhr to $.12 per Kwhr, others not so lucky. Was reading another website where someone from California was paying something like $.50 per Kwhr at peak hrs.. Those price increases are just the beginning of a lot of rate hikes that are coming to all in the near future.
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ford truck guy wrote:Quote -
" Under the right conditions we would certainly pay a surcharge."
Who decides these conditions? and would you ASSUME you could just hook up and charge for free??
Asking for a friend ! :-)
The right conditions for me. In other words, do I need to charge and what is the campground offering for a rate.
Assume??? No. We ask. So far no one has had a problem with it on a 30 amp site. We also only plug in one thing at a time. EV or RV. Not both. Hasn’t been a problem for us so far and we camp and travel a lot. Over 12000 kilometres this year so far.
Ultimately it’s up to the campground. So far none have had an issue with it. Like I said though, we generally only rent 30 amp sites so it’s not like I can suck up more than 25 or 30 kilowatts over night. If we are staying in the area for awhile like we did in Quebec we tended to suck up 10 to 15 kWh per day just from travelling around. Again though, the trailer wasn’t plugged in during those times.
It hasn’t been an issue for us. Can’t speak for others though.
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Gdetrailer
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Reisender wrote:
Ultimately it’s up to the campground. So far none have had an issue with it. Like I said though, we generally only rent 30 amp sites so it’s not like I can suck up more than 25 or 30 kilowatts over night.
It hasn’t been an issue for us. Can’t speak for others though.
Cheers.
Consider this..
Campground I recently stayed at, 5,200 camping sites, all with 30A/50A hookups..
That's up to 12Kw per site x 5,200 sites = 62,400,000 Kw potential usage..
Now double that to accommodate every site with EV charging plus RV..
124,800,000 Kwhr potential usage...
Was there during a long heat spell, was 95+F in the shade, voltage was sagging to 108V at times and campground was about 90% full..
Granted, not everyone has a RV with 50A, mine is 30A but still, as it is, there is no surplus of electric at campgrounds as of now.
Would hate to see what will happen if "everyone" drove EV trucks and tried getting a freebee charge there plus 5,200 sites with A/Cs buzzing to the max in the middle of Summer.. To make this even more realistic, that campground since it is near a large tourist draw has LARGE FAMILIES come in which often require separate vehicles.. Now you must accommodate extra vehicles per site.. Not all would want or need charging but if it is free, it most likely will be used..
While what you do works for 1-2 people, isn't going to scale up evenly or equally for a family of 6-8...
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Not being grumpy about everything new, I like the concept.
"This begs the question of how you charge both at one campsite."
Give it some time. Gasoline stations took a while to establish too.
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Gdetrailer wrote:Reisender wrote:
Ultimately it’s up to the campground. So far none have had an issue with it. Like I said though, we generally only rent 30 amp sites so it’s not like I can suck up more than 25 or 30 kilowatts over night.
It hasn’t been an issue for us. Can’t speak for others though.
Cheers.
Consider this..
Campground I recently stayed at, 5,200 camping sites, all with 30A/50A hookups..
That's up to 12Kw per site x 5,200 sites = 62,400,000 Kw potential usage..
Now double that to accommodate every site with EV charging plus RV..
124,800,000 Kwhr potential usage...
Was there during a long heat spell, was 95+F in the shade, voltage was sagging to 108V at times and campground was about 90% full..
Granted, not everyone has a RV with 50A, mine is 30A but still, as it is, there is no surplus of electric at campgrounds as of now.
Would hate to see what will happen if "everyone" drove EV trucks and tried getting a freebee charge there plus 5,200 sites with A/Cs buzzing to the max in the middle of Summer.. To make this even more realistic, that campground since it is near a large tourist draw has LARGE FAMILIES come in which often require separate vehicles.. Now you must accommodate extra vehicles per site.. Not all would want or need charging but if it is free, it most likely will be used..
While what you do works for 1-2 people, isn't going to scale up evenly or equally for a family of 6-8...
No idea and way out of my league. We are just RVers who like to travel and camp. But there are lots of RVers in trailers our size. We were in some campgrounds along the way where probably half of the rigs were SUV's or half tons or whatever towing trailers our size. of course 50 amp sites are kinda rare up here.
Anyway, here is a graph of our usage for the first 31 days or maybe 7200 kilometres of our last trip. The app only tracks 31 days max with a sliding window so the second half of our trip is not represented here.
The blue is home charging. Obviously none as we were on the road.
The red is supercharging. Self explanatory.
The gray is freebie charging. So in the driveway at the inlaws, touristy places with free charging and of course campgrounds. At least for our kind of combo I would say 10 to 30 kwh would be normal, depending on if we were visiting or travelling.
Anyway, hope this is useful info. I'm not interested in a toxic conversation or being referred to as a thief or freeloader so I'll leave this thread after this. Life is too short. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
Safe travels and happy camping all.
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Gdetrailer
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Reisender wrote:
No idea and way out of my league. We are just RVers who like to travel and camp. But there are lots of RVers in trailers our size. We were in some campgrounds along the way where probably half of the rigs were SUV's or half tons or whatever towing trailers our size. of course 50 amp sites are kinda rare up here.
Self explanatory.
The gray is freebie charging. So in the driveway at the inlaws, touristy places with free charging and of course campgrounds. At least for our kind of combo I would say 10 to 30 kwh would be normal, depending on if we were visiting or travelling.
Anyway, hope this is useful info. I'm not interested in a toxic conversation or being referred to as a thief or freeloader so I'll leave this thread after this. Life is too short.
Safe travels and happy camping all.
Not being "toxic", but if pointing flaws and short comings of the EVs is toxic conversation, well not my fault.
Never called anyone out as "thief" but, getting something for "free" is not exactly "free" to someone else.
Absolutely no one gives me gas, electric, phone, my home, my vehicles, my RV or anything for free. No one fills my tank for free, no one gives me food to eat for free.
Touting "free electric charging" anywhere is a "red herring" which redirects what really happens into a scenario that by outside appearances make it look better to outside people without looking bad.
Reality says, someone had to pay to build the electric plants, the distribution system, the maintenance and operation of system.. It didn't build it's self for free.. The money came from someone else's pockets.. Who's pockets? Everyone that lives and breathes.
What you are doing works great for you, but sadly, it isn't going to work for everyone and someone else gets to pay for your enjoyment.
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Gdetrailer wrote:Never called anyone out as "thief" but, getting something for "free" is not exactly "free" to someone else.
Absolutely no one gives me gas, electric, phone, my home, my vehicles, my RV or anything for free. No one fills my tank for free, no one gives me food to eat for free. Let me know when the RV park starts charging for running a second A/C. (or even three)
They are getting more electric than many of us. Is that wrong? Who decides? Am I paying for that?
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wanderingaimlessly wrote:Funny, nobody addressed what I thought was really odd about the article on this prototype. Supposedly this thing will "help" the tow vehicle to gain range.
Either the trailer would have to have a large battery and a means of providing power TO the tow vehicle, which currently the EV's are not set up to accept.
Or, it would have it's own drive motors to assist in propulsion.
If it provides propulsion via its own wheels, that will get interesting for how quickly it senses what is needed, and actually how the tow vehicle could end up reacting to the "push" from the trailer. And a flat tire on the trailer would do??????
Also, how heavy will this battery pack have to be? What starts out as a small light trailer will get heavy in a hurry.
This is exactly what I have been pondering since the OP was posted. The trailer can't just push, it has to have smarts to push the right amount.
There are many ways it could be done but none I come up with would be easily implemented for various reasons.
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