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terrybk
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TxGearhead wrote:I couldn't get my head in the closet of my 9.4 where the sticker is and focus through my bifocals, so I took a pic.
Here's what it says:
Camper weight is 2450 lbs. when it contains standard equipment.32 gallons of water 40lbs. 40lbs of bottled gas.6.0 cubic ft refrigerator.
Optional equipment: Box awning 44 lbs. Air conditioner 75 lbs. Dual propane tanks 20 lbs. Electric jacks 22.5 lbs. Generator ready 22 lbs. Jack brackets 22 lbs. Microwave oven 30 lbs. Oven 49 lb s. Thermal windows 45 lbs.
Leaving out the gen prep the total is 2757.5.
Thanks TxGearhead, I appreciate you actually looking. We saw a third 9.4 online with very similar numbers. Once I pick it up I'll head to the cat scales.
So you are saying that the wet label shows 2757.5lbs and it really weights 4106lbs with zero changes and nothing added? The label was literally wrong by 1348.5 lbs? Off is one thing but that's wrong by a 1/3 or 50% heavier than the label.
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You have to pay to get the RVIA standards, but I believe the RVIA specifies how weight information is provided. The labeling seems very similar from one manufacturer to another.
It seems there is no requirement to actually weigh the unit as built. Car and truck manufacturers don't do that either. Instead labels include the weight of a "standard" unit. Often the wet weight is also listed based on a full fresh water tank and full propane tanks, along with the standard batteries. Labels also include specs for the options included, but not the actual total.
Dealer added options are not included. In my case that was 2 solar panels and oversized AGM batteries. Hold down bracket systems are not included. User upgrades are not included. In my case the big two were a generator and an upgraded foam mattress that was much heavier than the original mattress.
"Personal" items are another major, major issue. Personal items can easily top a thousand or even two thousand pounds. Included would be drinks, food, kitchen and cooking gear, tools, extension cords, hobby gear, chairs, BBQ grill and fuel, clothing, bedding, towels, cosmetics, first aid kit, etc, etc.
So if the label says 2400# wet, then add the accessories/upgrades. Those can easily total another 500-1000 or more pounds. Plus personal items and the grand total can easily exceed 4400#. Those are close to the numbers for my TC, a 9.5 Northstar Igloo. Mine is 18 years old and weights have increased since then.
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Boy howdy….I really need to have the type of concerns in life that allow me enough time to not only actually care what my truck camper weighs, but to try and dissect why it weighs what it does…..
Almost like arguing about batteries….
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JimK-NY wrote:You have to pay to get the RVIA standards, but I believe the RVIA specifies how weight information is provided. The labeling seems very similar from one manufacturer to another.
It seems there is no requirement to actually weigh the unit as built. Car and truck manufacturers don't do that either. Instead labels include the weight of a "standard" unit. Often the wet weight is also listed based on a full fresh water tank and full propane tanks, along with the standard batteries. Labels also include specs for the options included, but not the actual total.
Correct! The stickers all look alike because manufacturers are merely adhering to federal law requiring them, even down to the size, color, location and information required on each, etc. Anything beyond that becomes grey in factual truth.
For some 'light reading' SEARCH through the 'Federal Register' for RV rules on 'placards', weights, etc. It will drive you nuts trying to find a LOGICAL answer that RVers are seeking. There is none.
While the link below is about 'cargo weight' it's just an example of what you will find that will make your head spin.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2007/12/04/E7-22962/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standards-cargo-carrying-capacity
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Hi JimK,
I think that is part of the confusion. The manufacturer either estimates or weighs the camper as it will be right before shipping. That is their "wet weight." Then the dealer adds stuff and then the customer adds stuff.
Many of the weights being quoted are the "as being used by the customer weight" and given what people fess up to carrying in the camper, those weights will certainly be as much as 1000lbs.+ So a quote of 4200lbs without the details like "and that's with all of our stuff." doesn't clear it up.
What I am trying to find out is if anyone actually weighed the camper as received (and with any dealer installed options.) The fact the customer added 2000 lbs of tools and lifting weights just confuses things and they don't always say that.
BF is several emails were clear. That weight label should be close to how it was when it left their factory. But some people claim that is 1000lbs off.
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TxGearhead wrote:I couldn't get my head in the closet of my 9.4 where the sticker is and focus through my bifocals, so I took a pic.
Here's what it says:
Camper weight is 2450 lbs. when it contains standard equipment.32 gallons of water 40lbs. 40lbs of bottled gas.6.0 cubic ft refrigerator.
Optional equipment: Box awning 44 lbs. Air conditioner 75 lbs. Dual propane tanks 20 lbs. Electric jacks 22.5 lbs. Generator ready 22 lbs. Jack brackets 22 lbs. Microwave oven 30 lbs. Oven 49 lb s. Thermal windows 45 lbs.
Leaving out the gen prep the total is 2757.5.
did it have a spot on the bottom of the sheet that had another weight and it was written by hand? I'm not sure when they started that, it might have been when they reopened which means yours is to old to have that. i'll see if i can get a picture of it and post it.
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I just checked the one we are buying and it doesn't have anything hand written.
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terrybk wrote:I just checked the one we are buying and it doesn't have anything hand written.
Ummm my 2000 BF has a factory label on the outside with information and the wet weight.
Jim
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Oh, I meant the closet label. I'll check the back on the outside.
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StirCrazy wrote:TxGearhead wrote:I couldn't get my head in the closet of my 9.4 where the sticker is and focus through my bifocals, so I took a pic.
Here's what it says:
Camper weight is 2450 lbs. when it contains standard equipment.32 gallons of water 40lbs. 40lbs of bottled gas.6.0 cubic ft refrigerator.
Optional equipment: Box awning 44 lbs. Air conditioner 75 lbs. Dual propane tanks 20 lbs. Electric jacks 22.5 lbs. Generator ready 22 lbs. Jack brackets 22 lbs. Microwave oven 30 lbs. Oven 49 lb s. Thermal windows 45 lbs.
Leaving out the gen prep the total is 2757.5.
did it have a spot on the bottom of the sheet that had another weight and it was written by hand? I'm not sure when they started that, it might have been when they reopened which means yours is to old to have that. i'll see if i can get a picture of it and post it.
Steve
I don't recall seeing anything hand written.But I'll look again. I'm cleaning and packing for a trip.
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