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ROFLMAO.......


I take it one 761 page thread going back 5 years, full of the same repetitive horse poopage and arguments by a small handful of the same people over and over and over, is not enough?


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PButler96 wrote:

ROFLMAO.......


I take it one 761 page thread going back 5 years, full of the same repetitive horse poopage and arguments by a small handful of the same people over and over and over, is not enough?
I agree, no reason to keep starting these threads every week.

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So far this year, more than 200,000 motorists nationwide have been stranded on the side of the road, AAA said. During the same period last year — when the price of a gallon of gas was around $3 — just 154,000 motorists reported running out of gas.

$5 for a gallon of gas sparks surge in drivers who run out of fuel


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shelbyfv wrote:

Well, if you had read beyond the first line you would have seen "ERCOT recommends that people in Texas avoid running appliances between 2pm and 8pm." In case that isn't clear, EVs were in the same boat as washing machines and dishwashers. So Tesla stepped up, encouraged their owners to charge off peak and gave discounts to do so. Whirlpool might have done the same if they were as well connected to their customers. You mentioned "Tusk" three times. Have no idea what that is.[emoticon] FWIW,I agree with you that there is little point in discussing this truck on an RV forum. I doubt any buyers are planning to pull trailers.


For a person that doesn't even own an electric vehicle you sure seem eager to prove you know very little about them. Let me throw you a bone.

#1. The grid is short on power. Plain and simple.

#2. The US power grid is on life support.

#3. The more "things" that are added to the grid, whether that be electric appliances or electric cars the worse the grid will get.

#4. Electric vehicles use a LOT of energy. Vehicles in general use a ton of energy.....whether that be diesel, gasoline or electricity. That is the problem with electric "tow rigs"......LI batteries don't have good "energy density". Yes, I said energy density and not power density. Read the OP's article and see what they say about energy density and the problem it causes.

#5. Adding things to the grid that suck huge amounts of power like electric vehicles is going to be bad news for the already fragile power grid.

#6. The fragile grid is going to cost trillions of dollars to fix. Where is that money going to come from?

#7. An electric car uses very little energy compared to a semi. If the grid is just barley making it now just wait until everybody starts plugging big rigs in.

#8. Here is who Tusk is.

#8. I disagree. There are several people on this very forum that tow with their electric vehicle and there are even a few that have the Cyber Truck on order and they say they are going tow with. A few said they can wait until the Semi comes out so they can buy one and tow with it. Unfortunately they will wait for the rest of their lives if they want an over the road electric big rig with any range at all.

One things for sure. The Ford Lightning sure brought into focus how much energy density these LI batteries have at this point in time. And the answer is, not much,


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shelbyfv wrote:

PButler96 wrote:

ROFLMAO.......


I take it one 761 page thread going back 5 years, full of the same repetitive horse poopage and arguments by a small handful of the same people over and over and over, is not enough?
I agree, no reason to keep starting these threads every week.


Couple years ago, the mods here attempted to corral the EV dreamers and Musk nut humpers into one thread/section rather than posting new drivel every other day. It worked for....about 2 days.

We're back to full time spam by a limited group of members...


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So far this year, more than 200,000 motorists nationwide have been stranded on the side of the road, AAA said. During the same period last year — when the price of a gallon of gas was around $3 — just 154,000 motorists reported running out of gas.

$5 for a gallon of gas sparks surge in drivers who run out of fuel


That has to be THE funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Let me count the reasons why....maybe numbering them starting from 1 and not getting past 10 so everyone can keep track regardless of how high they can actually count without having to take their socks off...

1. People who can't afford to fill their cars with high gas prices also can't calculate how far they can drive on a gallon of gas.
2. People who can't afford to fill their cars are going to be better off with EVs when those same people are driving $600 beaters because that's their budget. EVs aint free, even if you're on welfare....(Don't let that notion get out, or FREE EVs For the Indigent program might gain traction with those that are responsible for the rest of the free cheeses in this country!)
3. Is petro going to get cheaper if demand wanes? He!! no. Not for a long time anyway. The oil industry raises the prices now, if a camel farts in Saudi Arabia now. What you think will happen if they just up and lost 10% market share tomorrow?
4. Is power going to get cheaper when EVs become more prominent? See #3, but opposite for the power companies. One of the largest almost monopolies of our day are power companies. And all the subsidiary industries that build/sell charging infrastructure and devices will follow suit.
5. Not that those running out of gas will ever be able to afford an EV unless it's dead and functioning as a rolling towable homeless shelter, but do you think the govt subsidies to produce and buy EVs will continue after the agenda has been fulfilled? Eh, you may think that....I have to remember there are folks who own legit RVs and have to ask how to change a tire on them, so never underestimate the lack of intelligence of someone I suppose.
6. Last but not least, noone cares about your Spam n Eggs from New Jersey. that state smells like all the indigents removed their socks at the same time anyway.
7. Sorry, one more thing, these stats are from people who have AAA roadside coverage? LOL. Let me get this straight...One has enough traveling to do and enough $ to buy a AAA membership, but not $5 to put that extra gallon of gas in the car? This aint about the price of gas....refer to point #5.

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Grit dog wrote:

We're back to full time spam by a limited group of members...
I don't think it's EV dreamers who start these threads. The ones I've participated in recently have been started by NeverEVers who just seem to want to flaunt their ignorance. That brings out folks like the Turtle who can't even remember what point they are trying to make. Little of this has anything to do with RVing.
From what I can tell, there are a number of folks here who actually believe climate change is a hoax and we could be burning fossil fuels forever more. When people are so invested in that level of ignorance you can't expect to have a rational discussion. Everyone here would be happier if EVs became off limits, along with politics and religion.

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shelbyfv wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

We're back to full time spam by a limited group of members...
I don't think it's EV dreamers who start these threads. The ones I've participated in recently have been started by NeverEVers who just seem to want to flaunt their ignorance. That brings out folks like the Turtle who can't even remember what point they are trying to make. Little of this has anything to do with RVing.
From what I can tell, there are a number of folks here who actually believe climate change is a hoax and we could be burning fossil fuels forever more. When people are so invested in that level of ignorance you can't expect to have a rational discussion. Everyone here would be happier if EVs became off limits, along with politics and religion.


Unfortunately, there are a few (like the one you mentioned. he really should start every post with "in my opinion...") who can't help but make this a political discussion. They know nothing else. Everything to them has a political agenda. Everything. It gets tiresome.

Beliefs do not equal facts.

Time to close this one. No one has mentioned the F150 for some time.

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The ICE is only 120 years old. That’s still new technology in the grand scheme of things. To introduce a new type of power will take another 100 years to perfect. Until then you can not mandate something that is only effective for 20% of the population!


The first rechargeable battery was invented in 1859.

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