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deltabravo
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Latner wrote:Diesel still might be an option for the smaller trucks.
New Diesel
"The new engine could also become the base diesel in the updated 2023 GMC Canyon and 2023 Chevy Colorado."
That is the biggest bit of fake news I've heard all year.
I can't see how a long and tall engine (straight 6) would fit in a midsized truck
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Unfortunately RAM and Jeep are not going to continue the 3.0 Diesel, Jan 2023 is the end of the line for the RAM EcoDiesel and Jeep will soon follow. Both being replaced by the I6 3.0 gas.
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FishOnOne wrote:BTW... I sure would rather have one of these mid-size trucks over a full size EV truck.
Spent my first 20yrs driving in small pickups. If you aren't towing or doing heavy hauling, they were a great option.
My first was a 1986 S-15, 4 banger stick. Averaged 27mpg and it had plenty of pep.
But these modern semi-full size trucks are so close to 1/2 tons in size and cost, no real reason not to just get the 1/2 ton.
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valhalla360 wrote:FishOnOne wrote:BTW... I sure would rather have one of these mid-size trucks over a full size EV truck.
Spent my first 20yrs driving in small pickups. If you aren't towing or doing heavy hauling, they were a great option.
My first was a 1986 S-15, 4 banger stick. Averaged 27mpg and it had plenty of pep.
But these modern semi-full size trucks are so close to 1/2 tons in size and cost, no real reason not to just get the 1/2 ton.
I drove a 1994 Ranger for 13 years. Put 160,000 on it. Averaged 23-24 running 70-75 mph on the freeway. Drove an 06 Frontier V6 for 4 years barely getting 23 mpg running the same speeds. You can get that with a F150 2.7 and have a nicer ride.
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goducks10 wrote:valhalla360 wrote:FishOnOne wrote:BTW... I sure would rather have one of these mid-size trucks over a full size EV truck.
Spent my first 20yrs driving in small pickups. If you aren't towing or doing heavy hauling, they were a great option.
My first was a 1986 S-15, 4 banger stick. Averaged 27mpg and it had plenty of pep.
But these modern semi-full size trucks are so close to 1/2 tons in size and cost, no real reason not to just get the 1/2 ton.
I drove a 1994 Ranger for 13 years. Put 160,000 on it. Averaged 23-24 running 70-75 mph on the freeway. Drove an 06 Frontier V6 for 4 years barely getting 23 mpg running the same speeds. You can get that with a F150 2.7 and have a nicer ride.
So the conclusion is to pass on the EV and midsize trucks and just purchase a full size 1/2 ton truck. Looks like the big 3 already has that covered.
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The so-called "compact" trucks have been "barely smaller than full size and offer no real advantage unless you like riding shoulder-to-shoulder with your best buddy" for a long long time now.
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valhalla360 wrote:FishOnOne wrote:BTW... I sure would rather have one of these mid-size trucks over a full size EV truck.
Spent my first 20yrs driving in small pickups. If you aren't towing or doing heavy hauling, they were a great option.
My first was a 1986 S-15, 4 banger stick. Averaged 27mpg and it had plenty of pep.
But these modern semi-full size trucks are so close to 1/2 tons in size and cost, no real reason not to just get the 1/2 ton.
Bought wife a new '88 S-10 4cyl 5 speed. Taught 3 teenagers to drive manual in that truck, replaced the clutch at 170,000 miles. Most trouble free vehicle I have ever owned. Replaced it in '05, over 190,000 miles.
BTW, little trucks like that make the best first car. Has frame, better when they wreck it. Manual transmission, forces more attention on driving, less likely to wreck it. Good mileage, cheap to drive. Plus, and the IMHO is a big plus. Remember when you where a kid, got in trouble or should of got in trouble? Always 3-5 of you in the car, right?
Like Grandma used to say about boys, 1 boy, 1 brain. 2 boys, 1/2 brain. 3 boys, no brain.
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deltabravo wrote:Latner wrote:Diesel still might be an option for the smaller trucks.
New Diesel
"The new engine could also become the base diesel in the updated 2023 GMC Canyon and 2023 Chevy Colorado."
That is the biggest bit of fake news I've heard all year.
With diesel averaging a little less than $2.00 per gallon more than 87 gas and not predicted to drop for the foreseeable future if ever, I don't think they'll be flying off the lots if they are available. You would have to be a financial moron to buy one.
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Pbutler97 wrote:deltabravo wrote:Latner wrote:Diesel still might be an option for the smaller trucks.
New Diesel
"The new engine could also become the base diesel in the updated 2023 GMC Canyon and 2023 Chevy Colorado."
That is the biggest bit of fake news I've heard all year.
With diesel averaging a little less than $2.00 per gallon more than 87 gas and not predicted to drop for the foreseeable future if ever, I don't think they'll be flying off the lots if they are available. You would have to be a financial moron to buy one.
Waiting for all the Joe Brodozer folks to quit buying or sell their diesels.
Worked out great in 2009 or whenever the last big diesel price spike happened.
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valhalla360
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JRscooby wrote:valhalla360 wrote:FishOnOne wrote:BTW... I sure would rather have one of these mid-size trucks over a full size EV truck.
Spent my first 20yrs driving in small pickups. If you aren't towing or doing heavy hauling, they were a great option.
My first was a 1986 S-15, 4 banger stick. Averaged 27mpg and it had plenty of pep.
But these modern semi-full size trucks are so close to 1/2 tons in size and cost, no real reason not to just get the 1/2 ton.
Bought wife a new '88 S-10 4cyl 5 speed. Taught 3 teenagers to drive manual in that truck, replaced the clutch at 170,000 miles. Most trouble free vehicle I have ever owned. Replaced it in '05, over 190,000 miles.
BTW, little trucks like that make the best first car. Has frame, better when they wreck it. Manual transmission, forces more attention on driving, less likely to wreck it. Good mileage, cheap to drive. Plus, and the IMHO is a big plus. Remember when you where a kid, got in trouble or should of got in trouble? Always 3-5 of you in the car, right?
Like Grandma used to say about boys, 1 boy, 1 brain. 2 boys, 1/2 brain. 3 boys, no brain.
Yeah, loved that little S-15. Same price as a compact car but heading off to college, I could load all my stuff in one trip. Pick up mulch for my Mom's flower beds in the spring or pick up new appliances to save delivery charges. Handy so long as you didn't need to do heavy duty work.
If I stopped towing, I would love to have one again but the modern semi-full size trucks just don't make sense. Last one I had was a Dakota that only got 17mpg and in retrospect, should have just jumped up to the 1/2 ton.
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