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CKNSLS
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blt2ski wrote:My 2014 1500 is just shy of 2000 lbs per door sticker. I've run down the road per dot scale close to 8400 with out issues.
With that said, iirc Toyota used a 10.5" rear ring gear vs 9.5 or 8.5 in my case, as I have a V6, not an 8. Also typically a 4.10 ratio. Trans gears are taller overall. Reality, the GM typical 3.42 ratio and 4.5 2st gear in trans may be lower overall.
Reality, both should be similar in handling, power can vary due to many factors.
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My 2018 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab LTZ (Short bed) w/the 5.3 is 1444 pounds. I'm very surprised at this 2,000 pound payload figure.
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Had a 5.7 Tundra for our 6500 lbs trailer. LOVED that truck, very nice, lots of power and quite comfortable. Only had about 1500 lbs payload, which we quickly ran out of with child #2.
If you are that close to your half ton payload ratings, I would strongly encourage you to look at a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. We went from the Tundra to a Ram 2500. The ride wasn't much worse, the rear coil springs in the Ram are quite good. A 3/4 or 1 ton truck is much beefier in build, you can look at the brakes, frame, axles, wheels, tires, etc and see that you are getting much more truck for the money and much heavier components that are designed to be worked.
Like I said, I LOVED my Tundra, but the Ram is a much better tool for the job. I won't go back to a half ton pickup, even if I stop towing. You get more bang for your buck in a 3/4 or 1 ton.
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The other thing you should consider when comparing 1/2 ton to a larger truck with a large trailer - your trailer weighs 9500 lbs, your truck weighs 5-6K. That is a small truck in front of a lot of weight. Putting a truck that weighs 8K or better, the truck is better weighted for the trailer it is pulling. Much safer for you, your family and the people around you. Also, I went from a Yukon SUV to a 3/4 ton diesel Chev and get better gas mileage towing or just driving around town. Back when diesel was cheaper than regular gas, it saved me money, not right now, but it will go back down again. I also have the ability to not worry about the trailer I tow, would be more true if I had a 1 ton, but even a 3/4 ton is much more capable than a 1/2 ton. Toyota makes a great vehicle, but the Tundra likes gas...
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CKNSLS wrote:blt2ski wrote:My 2014 1500 is just shy of 2000 lbs per door sticker. I've run down the road per dot scale close to 8400 with out issues.
With that said, iirc Toyota used a 10.5" rear ring gear vs 9.5 or 8.5 in my case, as I have a V6, not an 8. Also typically a 4.10 ratio. Trans gears are taller overall. Reality, the GM typical 3.42 ratio and 4.5 2st gear in trans may be lower overall.
Reality, both should be similar in handling, power can vary due to many factors.
Marty
My 2018 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab LTZ (Short bed) w/the 5.3 is 1444 pounds. I'm very surprised at this 2,000 pound payload figure.
A few differences, as noted I have the V6, smaller rear axle, LT vs heavier optioned LTZ, dual cab/6.5' bed vs 200-300 lb heavier crew cab option.
Saw some reg cab 2wd V6 WT pkg setups with 2200 lb payloads.
My reg 2500 had 3800, 400 lbs shy of a dually crew cab LS D/A combo.
Things like power windows, 35 lbs per, heated power seats 40-50 lbs per eat into payload no matter the model. If you want payload, lots of bells and whistles, in many cases one has to up the chassis gvwr to get needed payload. If you have a family of 6, with 4 adult sized kids where we all wieghed 1200-1300 lbs, you need to upsize a chassis or three depending upon trailer to be towed etc. A few things MANY people that only drove cars until retirement and want to tow a trailer do not know or understand. Some like grit or myself that have been using trucks daily in commercial use, understand the different DOT truck classes, what there good for, how to license appropriately, legally vs arrenty ratings manufactures use ....
As many have noted, realistically, OP should be in a DOT class 2b 8401 gvw or higher rated truck, not a 2a up to 8400 gvwr truck.
I needed a 3500 SW with 4000 lbs of payload to haul my family with a whopping 6500 lb 24' long TT, by the time I added us as noted earlier, HW, generator, two Alaska malamutes, sometimes bikes, canoe, firewood etc. I would need a class 6 19500-26000 gvw truck to haul family, and trailer cummins12v hauls around.
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WinMinnie02 wrote:Chevy 2500 HD or 3500 HD to be safe.
We’re up to 3500 recommendation on page 1! Nice work….
Maybe will get a “get a dually” before this thread is over. Lol
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Grit dog wrote:WinMinnie02 wrote:Chevy 2500 HD or 3500 HD to be safe.
We’re up to 3500 recommendation on page 1! Nice work….
Maybe will get a “get a dually” before this thread is over. Lol
Or maybe a medium duty semi tractor. ??
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Yeah, a dually, that is good.
I Love my Tundra, love it, love it but....I am pulling an Airstream that is about 6500 not 9500. I don't think I would keep the Tundra if I had that large a trailer. The limiting factor with a Tundra, any half ton actually, is weight issues. I would be looking at a good 3/4 ton, or a one ton or a semi tractor or an Abrams Tank.....just to keep the weight police happy.
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aftermath wrote:Yeah, a dually, that is good.
I Love my Tundra, love it, love it but....I am pulling an Airstream that is about 6500 not 9500. I don't think I would keep the Tundra if I had that large a trailer. The limiting factor with a Tundra, any half ton actually, is weight issues. I would be looking at a good 3/4 ton, or a one ton or a semi tractor or an Abrams Tank.....just to keep the weight police happy.
I was exactly the same. Pulled a 6500 lbs trailer with wife and one kid, Tundra was awesome. Plenty of power, shifted smooth, very comfortable, but small gas tank and 10 mpg towing.
Bought a 9500 lbs trailer when we had the 2nd kid, one trip with the Tundra showed me that it simply wasn't enough truck. Between tongue weight, passenger weight, bikes, firewood, etc we were over the payload limit and it become an uncomfortable tow.
I suppose its feasible to tow 10K with a half ton, but most half tons aren't going to comfortably tow a 10K lbs high wall trailer. A 3/4 or 1 ton will easily and comfortably tow 10K lbs and have plenty of room left over.
For my family, it was an easy decision. I miss my Tundra, but not when I'm towing my trailer and hauling all the stuff we bring with us now.
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Grit dog wrote:WinMinnie02 wrote:Chevy 2500 HD or 3500 HD to be safe.
We’re up to 3500 recommendation on page 1! Nice work….
Maybe will get a “get a dually” before this thread is over. Lol
Absolutely, get a dually and never look back.![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
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plasticmaster wrote:I have a 2014 Silverado 5.3L V8 with tow capacity of 9700# and payload capacity of 1638# according to the sticker on the door jamb. I tow my camper with it, which fully loaded weighs close to 9500#. I know I’m at the upper end of my tow rating, but I’ve never felt uncomfortable while towing. I’m thinking of getting a Toyota Tundra. As long as the tow capacity and payload capacity is the same or exceeds that of my Silverado, shouldn’t I expect roughly the same experience towing? I want to make sure the Tundra would be up to the task. Thanks.
IMHO, comfort level is an individual measure based on skill, experience, and personality. What is comfortable for you might be over the top for others. Opinions you get will vary.
I would put myself at the more aggressive end of the scale.
Having said that….
I had a 2013 Tundra Limited with 5.7, 6 speed automatic, and 430 rear end. 381 up and 401 ft lbs torque (if memory serves me right). Cargo weight was something around 1500 lbs, and the tow rating was 9800 lbs. So a little more power and towing capacity than your Chevy. On a 32000 km trip over more than 5 months, I averaged 23 litres per 100 kms which translates to 10.2 US mpg while towing a 7000 lb travel trailer. I can’t remember the numbers, but with 3 people, 2 dogs, a canopy, a Ruckus, 10 gallons of fuel and a toolbox in the back along with 2 spares for the trailer, I was overweight on the back axle by maybe 500 lbs. never hurt or power in the Rockies, and downhills was never an issue with a decent engine/tranny combo.
With that out of the way, I would not tow any more than that with that particular truck over that distance. I loved that truck and would have bought the ¾ ton version if they made one. For short trips it was awesome. Good weather with not much wind it was awesome. Windy day with semis passing it sucked, but after awhile it became “normal” and manageable. Just needed to anticipate and deal with things accordingly.
I would say that if you are towing anything close to 10,000lbs with a half ton over longer distances, get a ¾ ton whatever truck and you will thank yourself for it. Otherwise stick to your Chevy. It is a great truck and the 5.3 is bullet proof.
Or maybe get a dually…………
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