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PButler96
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It looks like this is turning into a first class Duesenberg lol
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tealboy
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blt2ski wrote:For what it's worth, GM recommends brakes for trailers over 2000 lbs in my 1500. Which, is about the max payload of the truck. Brakes it's 6700 or so.....blown that number out of the water. Identical V8 it's around 11,000 braked.
I'll stick to my earlier, if the trailer puts you much over the manufactures GVW, say max 500-1000 lbs, best to have brakes on it, no matter the vehicle.
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Yes, I looked up gm too, they are 2000 lbs for the sierra but also the Yukon/Tahoe but after all that I’ve discovered in this process, including our discussion today in response to my post, I’ve pretty much landed with what Marty says here, 500-1000 outside of gvwr will certainly fall within the safety margin of what the manufacturer has designed. Frankly, 1000 seems like the right breakpoint but I’m going to do a bit more math before officially deciding. Im also heading to the cat scale Friday.
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I have not looked at the numbers lately but I bet you can buy a pair of brake kits, with shoes springs and magnets mounted to backing plates, a pair of drums, break-away switch, controller, and some wire for less than the cost of front bumper for your TV.
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Grit dog wrote:BB_TX wrote:tealboy wrote:…….
…. …….. The F150 for example Has a unbraked limit of 1500 lbs.
Where did you find this information? I have looked thru my manuals and cannot find anything addressing this. Not questioning you. Just curious where to find it.
It doesn't.
Just more made up rvnet c rap.
Just for gits and shiggles I pulled up a random F150 owners manual (2018) and it states something to the effect of follow your state's guidelines or requirements for max trailer weight without trailer brakes.
Actually it does say it. Sorta. My 2022 F150 came with condensed manuals with the full manual available on-line. After searching thru that I found the reference to the 1,500 lb number. The manual says Ford "recommends" brakes on trailers over 1,500 lb. It does not say it is a "limit".
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mkirsch
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That's just it. It's a "recommendation" at best, not a "limit."
Those who have trouble with reading comprehension believe it is some sort of law, and that the F150 trailer towing shock patrol is going to spring from the bushes, throw them to the ground, stuff a sack over their head, and drag them off to a Siberian gulag if they try towing 1501lbs without brakes.
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mkirsch wrote:That's just it. It's a "recommendation" at best, not a "limit."
Those who have trouble with reading comprehension believe it is some sort of law, and that the F150 trailer towing shock patrol is going to spring from the bushes, throw them to the ground, stuff a sack over their head, and drag them off to a Siberian gulag if they try towing 1501lbs without brakes.
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mkirsch wrote:That's just it. It's a "recommendation" at best, not a "limit."
Those who have trouble with reading comprehension believe it is some sort of law, and that the F150 trailer towing shock patrol is going to spring from the bushes, throw them to the ground, stuff a sack over their head, and drag them off to a Siberian gulag if they try towing 1501lbs without brakes.
Actually, not that it will happen to most of us......
Ford "could" deny warranty issues to you if towing over 1500 lbs of unbraked trailer caused an item to brake, not last as long etc.
Or,
if you did say rear end someone, they have another item to check off against you in a civil court case.
Or
If you are pulled over by an LEO, the do a perverbial "field test" of your braking ability. Typically on a level at 10-20 mph stopping within X feet. You don't meet test requirements. You get a red tag, can't move vehicle with trailer attached, assuming TV alone meets test requirement. Trailer get hauled off the road to a shop to get repaired. Then can not leave shop until an inspection is done.
These different legal or recommendations no matter what we are doing, being it hauling, towing, riding a bike, flying, boating etc. If you look at the issue one way, you're fine, but look at it from a different direction, assuming you're in the center of a circle, 360 ways to look at the issue, 359 of those ways can get you into major trouble, to one of the 360 ways getting you in trouble.
Like ALL things in life, look at the issue from more than one direction.
Yes, I've posted legal ways person is fine, but I also point out, not safe, or my recommendation etc at times too.
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BB_TX wrote:tealboy wrote:…….
…. …….. The F150 for example Has a unbraked limit of 1500 lbs.
Where did you find this information? I have looked thru my manuals and cannot find anything addressing this. Not questioning you. Just curious where to find it.
Ford F-150 owner’s manual. For 2019 on page 311, “Separate functioning brake systems are required for safe control of towed vehicles and trailers weighing more than 1500 pounds (680 kg) when loaded”.
NOTE the word REQUIRED, not recommended. There are clear differences between these words, similar to shall and should. Yes, looking at the source material, somebody’s reading comprehension is suspect. This is a manufacturer’s requirement, not a legal one.
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tealboy
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mkirsch wrote:That's just it. It's a "recommendation" at best, not a "limit."
Those who have trouble with reading comprehension believe it is some sort of law, and that the F150 trailer towing shock patrol is going to spring from the bushes, throw them to the ground, stuff a sack over their head, and drag them off to a Siberian gulag if they try towing 1501lbs without brakes.
You are obviously smarter than everyone else. You can word smith as you wish, but I’ve looked at so many vehicles and these limits that I’m sure I mixed facts but for example, straight from the owners manual,
Gmc 1500 sierra Denali says “loaded trailers over 2000 lbs must be equipped with brake systems and with brakes for each axles”. I see the word”must” as a limit or requirement.
Toyota Sequoia and the tundra, owners manual says “ maximum allowable unbraked trailer weight is 1000 lbs”. You might also interpret that as a recommendation not a requirement but I don’t.
Ford, in all fairness is more vague. They say “ separate functional brakes “should” be used for safe control of towed vehicles and for trailers where the gcwr of the towing vehicle plus the trailer exceed the gvwr of the tow vehicle”. You have to do some math and make assumptions here but the way I understand it , the payload is appx 1550-2000lbs depending on model so that would imply a fairly low tow threahold before brakes “should” be used assuming you are trying to operate the vehicle in a safe and controlled manner as ford puts it.
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This one went so far south it exited the atmosphere lol.
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