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NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Scoobydoo I like your excuse for letting the other big polluting countries have free ride on continued global air pollution. I do not share your guilt complex of blaming America first for everything. And except for this forum I think most Americans would agree with me. Compared to the jet set crowd and some RVers my carbon footprint is very small indeed. I now fish and camp without the small TT. No hypocrite here bubba joe just the facts. Cheers


Do I blame all America? Over half century ago science started talking about the dangers of climate change. Not long after, a President started advocating reduced energy use, andput solar panels on the roof of white house to show/study the possibility of renewable energy generation. Can we even guess how much less carbon would be in air now if we had built on that for all the years? But instead the next guy mocked the idea of a sweater in the house, had panels removed. Somehow the people that want to profit off oil and gas made climate a political issue. Oil companies have for decades got reports of harm from scientists, buried those reports, and hired politicians to protect their profit.
Many times on this site we read the evil in other developed counties for restricting ICE in their cities. Look at rivers/lakes in SW US. Do you see a problem? Some of the veggie growing land in Cali are not expected to produce this year. With the restrictions in production of wheat in Ukraine Kansas farmer should be expecting great things right? Many farmers are not getting rain, production reduced. Now look around the world. Rivers at low levels not seen in 500 years. We all have waited to long, but much of that wait is because of pushback from 1 major party in US. Even now, we hear "Why should we act? Force others to act first!" US claims to be world leader. I'm sure many people in other developed countries, forced to reduce from a lower average level "Why should we act? US is not acting, their bad air will come here!"

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^^^You are addressing one of the last bastions of anti-science climate change denial. Goobers will be falling off the porch![emoticon]

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JRscooby wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Scoobydoo I like your excuse for letting the other big polluting countries have free ride on continued global air pollution. I do not share your guilt complex of blaming America first for everything. And except for this forum I think most Americans would agree with me. Compared to the jet set crowd and some RVers my carbon footprint is very small indeed. I now fish and camp without the small TT. No hypocrite here bubba joe just the facts. Cheers


Do I blame all America? Over half century ago science started talking about the dangers of climate change. Not long after, a President started advocating reduced energy use, andput solar panels on the roof of white house to show/study the possibility of renewable energy generation. Can we even guess how much less carbon would be in air now if we had built on that for all the years? But instead the next guy mocked the idea of a sweater in the house, had panels removed. Somehow the people that want to profit off oil and gas made climate a political issue. Oil companies have for decades got reports of harm from scientists, buried those reports, and hired politicians to protect their profit.
Many times on this site we read the evil in other developed counties for restricting ICE in their cities. Look at rivers/lakes in SW US. Do you see a problem? Some of the veggie growing land in Cali are not expected to produce this year. With the restrictions in production of wheat in Ukraine Kansas farmer should be expecting great things right? Many farmers are not getting rain, production reduced. Now look around the world. Rivers at low levels not seen in 500 years. We all have waited to long, but much of that wait is because of pushback from 1 major party in US. Even now, we hear "Why should we act? Force others to act first!" US claims to be world leader. I'm sure many people in other developed countries, forced to reduce from a lower average level "Why should we act? US is not acting, their bad air will come here!"


While it is true that Reagan removed the panels from the roof that Carter had installed, Bush re-installed solar on the WH grounds in 2003. In 2010 panels were also installed on the WH roof again. Your narrative makes it seem like it was dropped with Regan and never re-visited by subsequent presidents.

Are droughts solely the result of climate change? No. Droughts and flooding elsewhere is also a result of improper forestation and land management. Biggest contributors are farming itself, residential and commercial building and mining. Simply put, when you don't have natural vegetation to retain soil and moisture you get runoff and erosion and this continually exacerbates itself. This process is also a large contributor to climate change. Plants convert CO2 to O2. Houses don't, roads don't, commercial structures don't, farming doesn't, and mining doesn't. I think about this as I see all the news about new mining for battery raw materials to save the planet. You aren't solving anything. Just trading one problem/contributor for another. But lots of money being made.

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More BS about the US saving the world at our own expense. Open borders, climate change, getting involved in every little war on earth. All while those that hate us expand their influence and power on the world. So now Calif will force you to buy an electric car all the while building houses and using swimming pools while running out of water. Already have rolling brown outs when it is hot so add electric cars to the mix as India builds 70+ coal fired power plants. This country is killing its self from with in it seems.

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I love how change brings out the emotions. Personally I say YAY. By the time we hit 2035 there will be a solid charging infrastructure, faster charging and hopefully a better battery technology.

In the mean time, I am doing my part to belch out diesel fumes at 8 mpg.


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JRscooby wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Scoobydoo I like your excuse for letting the other big polluting countries have free ride on continued global air pollution. I do not share your guilt complex of blaming America first for everything. And except for this forum I think most Americans would agree with me. Compared to the jet set crowd and some RVers my carbon footprint is very small indeed. I now fish and camp without the small TT. No hypocrite here bubba joe just the facts. Cheers


Do I blame all America? Over half century ago science started talking about the dangers of climate change. Not long after, a President started advocating reduced energy use, andput solar panels on the roof of white house to show/study the possibility of renewable energy generation. Can we even guess how much less carbon would be in air now if we had built on that for all the years? But instead the next guy mocked the idea of a sweater in the house, had panels removed. Somehow the people that want to profit off oil and gas made climate a political issue. Oil companies have for decades got reports of harm from scientists, buried those reports, and hired politicians to protect their profit.
Many times on this site we read the evil in other developed counties for restricting ICE in their cities. Look at rivers/lakes in SW US. Do you see a problem? Some of the veggie growing land in Cali are not expected to produce this year. With the restrictions in production of wheat in Ukraine Kansas farmer should be expecting great things right? Many farmers are not getting rain, production reduced. Now look around the world. Rivers at low levels not seen in 500 years. We all have waited to long, but much of that wait is because of pushback from 1 major party in US. Even now, we hear "Why should we act? Force others to act first!" US claims to be world leader. I'm sure many people in other developed countries, forced to reduce from a lower average level "Why should we act? US is not acting, their bad air will come here!"


LOL, if you're going to pretend to consider all the factors, you forgot the most important one.
SoCal's natural climate and naturally occurring water never would have supported squat for agriculture or population.
MAN MADE accommodations provided for the growth of agriculture and population.
Now with 24 million people documented plus the millions of undocumented, a natural occurrence (drought) suddenly (like last 20-40 years) becomes an issue.
PS solar power doesn't grow plants, but the environmentalists can't decide which horse to ride and which one to beat on a day to day basis.
Typical envrio carp. Wind power bad, ruins the view and kills eagles or whatever (I agree windfarms are ugly compared to nature). But 1000s of square miles of solar would be more attractive?

Sure, SoCal is the right environment for some produce, but there's enough land for produce where one is NOT draining a river that now doesn't have enough water to support the actual usage.

Is there a huge city in the middle of Death Valley? Nope, because noone wants to live there and it would be far to costly to provide the infrastructure to make in hospitable.
Only because SoCal gets all it's water from the east, does it even remotely exist to the extent it does these days.
Can't cry in your beer about not having the "resources" that never would or should have been there in the first place.
It's like an overgrown example of people who build on a hillside and lose their home to a mudslide. That's THEIR fault. Plenty of places to live that won't wash away.
Or those that buy a home next to a freeway and complain about the noise...

It's all about the contributors and solution providers fixing the issues of the whiners and dreamers and ignorant....

The only emotion involved is from those who think their opinions matter when they have no skills to solve the problem and stand by their "convictions" all while being dependent on and expecting someone else to wipe their @ss!


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And Scoob, I presume you live in Missouri, Independence maybe?

Seems like you'd be much more at home in LA county or frankly any other Blue state. But yet you're not.
Just an observation.
Because the way you talk, you'd be much happier in a blue state.

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ferndaleflyer wrote:

More BS about the US saving the world at our own expense. Open borders, climate change, getting involved in every little war on earth. All while those that hate us expand their influence and power on the world. So now Calif will force you to buy an electric car all the while building houses and using swimming pools while running out of water. Already have rolling brown outs when it is hot so add electric cars to the mix as India builds 70+ coal fired power plants. This country is killing its self from with in it seems.


Well said.

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I just want to know when our local Disneyland will get rid of the stenchy Autopia cars in "Tomorrow Land".
Last time I visited I could hardly breathe in the loading area.

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ferndaleflyer wrote:

More BS about the US saving the world at our own expense. Open borders, climate change, getting involved in every little war on earth. All while those that hate us expand their influence and power on the world. So now Calif will force you to buy an electric car all the while building houses and using swimming pools while running out of water. Already have rolling brown outs when it is hot so add electric cars to the mix as India builds 70+ coal fired power plants. This country is killing its self from with in it seems.


Unfortunely on this forum common sense folks like you are in the minority but the rest of us 300 million gassers will still be in the great majority after 2035. The silly crowd pushing this stuff will be DODO birds before then. Cheers to you.

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