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nickthehunter wrote:Reisender wrote:NamMedevac 70 wrote:Here's Why Major Car Manufacturers Believe Hydrogen Cars Are The Future
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EUGENIA AKHIM
PUBLISHED 10 HOURS AGO
We delve into the reasons why several car giants are pursuing the hydrogen avenue of cars for the future instead of electric-powered vehicles.
Above very recent news article from Google news and hotcars.com
As a member of the 300 million gasser club, I will wait for my hydrogen fuel car. I am in no hurry. Evidently EVs are now old news. Wink Wink (this is a joke for the slow ones)
According to business news most EV owners till own a gasser. Maybe hidden away for rainy day????
I quit reading after they said this. LOL. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") .
“Another drawback to EVs is their charging time, which is too slow. The average electric car (60 kWh battery) takes 8 hours to charge from empty-to-full with a 7kW charging point. Meanwhile, the Tesla Model S (Long Range) takes up to 12 hours to charge using the Tesla Wall Connector, while the Audi E-Tron needs 10.5 hours to charge, accordingy to Kelley Blue Book. Conversely, hydrogen cars require just 3 to 5 minutes to charge a full tank.”
LOL. Can’t get more wrong that that. . Or funnier. . I mean they could have used a 3 KW charge point and then said it took 24 hours. Or maybe a 1 kw charge point and then said 100 hours. Wonder why the chose 7 kw. Lucky number? . LOL.
Cheers. Maybe they chose 7kW because that’s what most EV’s available today will accept in at home use.
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Maybe. But I f you are going by that metric than that is incorrect as most closer to 8 kw or above.
Second of all, why compare a public hydrogen station than you would think that they would want to compare to a DC fast charge station. And most EV’s sold today charge at up to 170 KW, and a typical charge session for most EV’s is 20 minutes, not 12 hours. As well, talk to anyone who has filled a hydrogen car and it’s more like a 10 minute process not 5 minutes. Weird story.
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monkey44 wrote: Of course, nowadays, we hear about ICE lighting-up too, and EV batteries exploding or lighting on fire too. So, there is that. Any time we harness heat and convert it to useful consumer energy, we also create a certain amount of danger.
There are far more ice cars that "light up" than EV. But, to be fair, there are many more ice cars.
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'21 Volvo XC60 plug-in hybrid.
Gets 35KM on pure battery, which seems to be enough for most daily running around ( I commute to work by bus/train/bike).
Recharges in 2.5Hrs, so sometimes there will be multiple charges per day....not very often.
6-7 weeks between gas fill ups. Last odometer reading was 1876KM's between fuelings.
For us, the plug-in is working great. Of course, 6 months after we got this one they increased the battery range to 55Kms or so. That would be perfect for us.
Like having the gas for long trips.
Now, if there was only something out there with more than a 3500lb tow rating.
Looking to find a small couples trailer to pull, so hopefully when prices settle back down we might be able to find something suitable.
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monkey44
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pianotuna wrote:monkey44 wrote: Of course, nowadays, we hear about ICE lighting-up too, and EV batteries exploding or lighting on fire too. So, there is that. Any time we harness heat and convert it to useful consumer energy, we also create a certain amount of danger.
There are far more ice cars that "light up" than EV. But, to be fair, there are many more ice cars.
True enough, the more of one type of vehicle, the dynamic of its failure in comparison will change in that same direction.
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pianotuna wrote:monkey44 wrote: Of course, nowadays, we hear about ICE lighting-up too, and EV batteries exploding or lighting on fire too. So, there is that. Any time we harness heat and convert it to useful consumer energy, we also create a certain amount of danger.
There are far more ice cars that "light up" than EV. But, to be fair, there are many more ice cars. Per mile driven I understand ICE will light up 10x as often.
Part of that EV advantage may disappear as the vehicles age.
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Excluding collisions, I don't know about the 10x, but I'll bet most of those were older un-maintained ICE, loose fittings, gas leaks, sparked oil fires on an engine. Not explosive batteries like some of the EV early on, nor spontaneous combusion of the entire power source.
My point, generally remains, when we capture heat and make it 'user consumable', as in transportation, tools - a welder for example - or other compressed combustables, we will have failures. So, no matter which choice we make, ICE, EV, Hydrogyn, we have risk, and we need safety procedures, safety equippment, and training to understand those risks.
We cannot choose one over the others and claim it's safer. At this point in technology and engineering, we have no clear winner when we store a power source, and convert it into 'work'. I'll be the first to admit, and applaud the ongoing efforts toward safety and efficiency. But we are not there yet ...
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Whatever youre drivin dont forget to take care of it.
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pianotuna
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time2roll wrote:
Per mile driven I understand ICE will light up 10x as often.
Part of that EV advantage may disappear as the vehicles age.
Why would age make a difference?
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pianotuna wrote:time2roll wrote:
Per mile driven I understand ICE will light up 10x as often.
Part of that EV advantage may disappear as the vehicles age.
Why would age make a difference? For gasoline? Oil and fuel leaks onto hot surfaces. This tends to increase with age.
I suppose it is a bit unknown with an EV how the components will age.
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