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Posted: 09/16/22 07:57am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

That's really the only reason the other "How many folks" threads exist.

Why beat around the bush? Beat the dead horse!


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Posted: 09/16/22 08:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Human nature. People don't like change. Especially if it is forced on them.

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Posted: 09/16/22 08:30am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This thread should last an hour LOL. I wanna gripe about..... In addition to my last electric bill which almost doubled from the same period last year although I used less KWH.


"Americans browsing the supermarket aisle will notice most food items are far more expensive than they were a year ago. Egg prices soared 39.8%, while flour got 23.3% more expensive. Milk rose 17% and the price of bread jumped 16.2%.
Meat and poultry also grew costlier. Chicken prices jumped 16.6%, while meats rose 6.7% and pork increased 6.8%. Fruits and vegetables together are up 9.4%.
Overall, grocery prices jumped 13.5% and restaurant menu prices increased 8%."


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Posted: 09/16/22 08:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sure, I'll jump on this bandwagon.

I think EV's are being pushed upon us and forcing technology upon us that will be outdated and very expensive to repair for those of us who keep our vehicles for a long time.

Do I think that eventually that will be the way vehicles are powered? Most likely, unless something better comes along. But we're forcing the technology, creating powertrains and batteries that will be obsolete before the useful life of the vehicle has been reached, and ultimately will just add to the ever increasing landfill piles.

I think Plug-In HYBRID vehicles should be what is pushed now and probably for the next 10+ years to give the EVs a chance to develop an infrastructure AND to allow the electrical grid time to expand and grow to fill the demand for widespread use of EVs. The batteries are MUCH smaller so each plug-in hybrid battery made is much less damaging to the planet. Or, put another way, more than a half a dozen plug-in hybrid batteries could be made using the resources for just one EV.

A plug-in hybrid has an effectively an unlimited range, except for fuel stops. Long distance travel can be done with little change to our current life style. Short distance travel such as typical work commutes, can make use of the batteries for the first 40-60 miles, which is well within the average work commute. If you need to run extra errands that day, the gas engine will get you where you need to go. The distribution network for gasoline is already in place, so we don't have to search high and low for charging stations.

I can't imagine having an EV minivan loaded up with the kids, heading out on vacation, and having to stop for potentially a few hours to recharge. And the EVs I've researched would could carry such a family are in the $80k+ range. A good gas powered minivan is in the $40-50K range, and plug-in hybrid hardware would only add a few thousand dollars to that platform. MUCH more economical, affordable and practical for middle-class families.

Like I said, I think EVs WILL be the way we travel in the coming decades. But I don't like seeing "bleeding edge" technology forced upon the population, especially when it doesn't make good sense, given all of the issues. It effectively becomes a burdensome tax upon the lower and middle class citizens.

For the time being, I would like to see the plug-in hybrids be the technology which is developed. In my opinion, it's a sensible compromise. [emoticon]

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Posted: 09/16/22 09:04am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When the grid goes down, who will have the last laugh?


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Posted: 09/16/22 09:22am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"How many folks just want to gripe about EVs?"

Lots, obviously.

IMO, this borders very closely on being a troll post.


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Posted: 09/16/22 09:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mockturtle wrote:

When the grid goes down, who will have the last laugh?
Those that have home solar to charge an EV.


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Posted: 09/16/22 09:43am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Got hand pumps ready to fill your ices (and a way for transactions to occur without power) when the grid goes down? Filling the “tanks” of all vehicles will be challenging when the grid goes down. I suspect filling the “tanks” won’t be the biggest concern when the grid goes down (no one will be laughing).

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I am looking forward to future increases in range and reduced/easier charging! Off to the future!


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