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Posted: 09/18/22 06:38am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

MOSTS EVs can NOT be towed, flat or otherwise.

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Rick Jay wrote:

As I said in my previous post, we SHOULD BE pushing PLUG-IN HYBRID vehicles now. It's a sensible compromise that has the best of both worlds. EV use for short, local trips. Gas engine hybrid use for long trips which will make use of a refueling infrastructure which is already in place.


I'd like to see an EV with a designed "Optional generator" compartment.
A compartment where you could drop oh say a Yahama EF-3600i or the equivlent Honda or _____(fill in make and model)____.

That way if you want the ride for just "About town" you don't need to carry fuel and a heavy engine/genny.. (Saves energy) but you have the Genny in a "Storage" box should you need it during a power fail and you can easily transfer it to the car's Generator compartment for a long trip.

As for the "Existing refuel infrastructure"

one of the complaints early on in the EV field was "Not enough charging stations"

I see the day when it becomes "Not enough gas pumps".


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time2roll wrote:

mockturtle wrote:

When the grid goes down, who will have the last laugh?
Those that have home solar to charge an EV.


You're absolutely right --- given the fact that that situation would limit your travels to ZERO!


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wa8yxm wrote:

Rick Jay wrote:

As I said in my previous post, we SHOULD BE pushing PLUG-IN HYBRID vehicles now. It's a sensible compromise that has the best of both worlds. EV use for short, local trips. Gas engine hybrid use for long trips which will make use of a refueling infrastructure which is already in place.


I'd like to see an EV with a designed "Optional generator" compartment.
A compartment where you could drop oh say a Yahama EF-3600i or the equivlent Honda or _____(fill in make and model)____.

That way if you want the ride for just "About town" you don't need to carry fuel and a heavy engine/genny.. (Saves energy) but you have the Genny in a "Storage" box should you need it during a power fail and you can easily transfer it to the car's Generator compartment for a long trip.

As for the "Existing refuel infrastructure"

one of the complaints early on in the EV field was "Not enough charging stations"

I see the day when it becomes "Not enough gas pumps".


Don't quote me, but the BMW an older sister has, can go around 175 miles on EV, then an addition 75 miles combo charging batteries and gas use eith a small motorcycle battery motivating it. Cute lille car. Works for her.

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midnightsadie wrote:

not me ,were being used as a testing ground ,don,t see china pushing ev,s.

Lol
Look around you and see how many made in China products you and everyone is using already.
EVs will come eventualy.
BYD is here making buses already.

I remember times when some of our patriots were publicly smashing Japanese tv s and cars thinking it will make a diference. It didnt.

China is worlds bigest EV manufacturer and exporter already. If we block them,China has 150 friendly countries to sell to.

Free trade is the only way to win in global economy tarifs lead to inflation,recesion,,I recall Ronald Reagan saying that. Still true imo.

Recomend watching Reporterfy media travel chanel and Living in China

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JRscooby wrote:

midnightsadie wrote:

not me ,were being used as a testing ground ,don,t see china pushing ev,s.


I don't know what China is pushing, and don't really care. I was always told the US should lead. And I bet EVs sold in C are a higher percentage than in US.
Would also bet China has fewer cars per person than US, and the average person travels fewer miles in car than US.
As for the testing ground, think diesels have been doing that already.

PButler96 wrote:


Personally I take issue with tax credits for EV's, or anything else FWIW. If they're so great they can stand on their own merits, no incentives needed at someone else's expense. The government does not generate any money so the credit is payed for by other taxpayers.


But for over a century the tax payers have been helping the oil industry. And as a population, even the people that don't much use cars are paying the cost of climate harm.

wa8yxm wrote:

Well my only gripe about EV's..

Can't afford one.


My biggest complaint is development has been blocked for so long. If advancements made in last 10 years had been done 17 years ago I would have 1 in driveway.


Average chinese takes a subway or train. Its Gov subsidized so its very cheap to ride.
Plus they have 40.000 km of high speed railways.

Due to high air polution in the past Most big cities allow ice cars only on weekends. EVs can drive every day.

Carwow chanel opinion on chinese cars

https://youtu.be/YPeZ4twEFTA

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wa8yxm wrote:

Rick Jay wrote:

As I said in my previous post, we SHOULD BE pushing PLUG-IN HYBRID vehicles now. It's a sensible compromise that has the best of both worlds. EV use for short, local trips. Gas engine hybrid use for long trips which will make use of a refueling infrastructure which is already in place.


I'd like to see an EV with a designed "Optional generator" compartment.
A compartment where you could drop oh say a Yahama EF-3600i or the equivlent Honda or _____(fill in make and model)____.

That way if you want the ride for just "About town" you don't need to carry fuel and a heavy engine/genny.. (Saves energy) but you have the Genny in a "Storage" box should you need it during a power fail and you can easily transfer it to the car's Generator compartment for a long trip.

As for the "Existing refuel infrastructure"

one of the complaints early on in the EV field was "Not enough charging stations"

I see the day when it becomes "Not enough gas pumps".


You would need 15 to 20kw to keep up with a Model Y on the highway. That would be a rather larger generator to take in and out.

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JRscooby wrote:

atreis wrote:

eubank wrote:

I'll go ahead with my 2 cents' worth:

1. I don't think EVs are there yet for heavy towing. Going to have to continue with ICE vehicles for a while longer.

2. One concern I have in particular is locating a lightweight EV auto that can be towed four-down. I don't know that it exists yet, but I could be wrong. (For the interim, one can have a four-down towable lightweight auto converted to EV. I've been toying with the idea for my MGB.)

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A reasonable post with real concerns. [emoticon] Yes, they're not yet great at heavy towing. They could be, but would be horrendously expensive right now. It'll take some time yet.

No, there are no BEVs that are 4-down towable. There are a number of FWD models that can be towed on a dolly, including the reasonably priced Chevy Bolt, the upcoming FWD Equinox, the FWD Nissan Ariya, and others.

There are some hybrids and PHEVs that are 4-down towable though.


My thoughts; If a family is well off enough to have a RV it is near sure bet they have more than 1 vehicle. And this also true for most families in this country. Now if you have 2 cars, do they both need to tow heavy? Do they both need to be able to travel long distance without taking breaks to charge?
4 down towing; My understanding is EV does not have a transmission, so that is less problem than ICE. If can't disconnect wheels from motor, so what? You can spin a motor at max RPM, with no power to it with no harm. And will have less friction than spinning axles, gears and driveshafts in the 4X4s everybody uses now. If a manufacturer wanted to step into that market would likely sell many.


"Do they both need to be able to travel long distance without taking breaks to charge?
4 down towing; My understanding is EV does not have a transmission, so that is less problem than ICE. If can't disconnect wheels from motor, so what? You can spin a motor at max RPM, with no power to it with no harm."

Most every Tesla has at least one permanent magnet motor That would generate a lot of heat when being pulled and would quickly burn up. Tesla clearly stipulates no towing with any of the tires on the ground. I don't know about the other brands.

On the other hand, it is not a problem when driving so I say to just let the car drive itself when hooked to the back of a motorhome. It could even assist with braking, acceleration and hill climbing. The car has plenty smarts to be able to let you know if it is having some type of trouble while running behing the motorhome and if its batteries get low just do some regen and charge them back up. I would love to have that on my Tesla.

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The article talks about flat towing, and I don't disagree. The article doesn't talk about the "or otherwise" part though: dolly towing. A partial list of BEVs that can be dolly towed:

Nissan Leaf
Nissan Ariya (FWD only)
Chevy Bolt
Chevy Equinox (FWD only)
Polestar 2 (FWD only)
Mini Electric


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"UPDATE APRIL 23, 2022: based on .....a direct reply from Rivian Customer Service, it turns out that Rivian is NO LONGER claiming that their electric vehicles can be flat-towed behind a motorhome! As of now, they are indicating that Rivian EVs would need to be put on a flat-bed trailer to be towed behind another vehicle. BIG disappointment that we hope is corrected some day. But as of now, there do not appear to be ANY all-electric vehicles that are capable of being flat-towed, four wheels down. There ARE some HYBRID vehicles that are able to be flat-towed, but be sure to check with the manufacturer before assuming."

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