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Posted: 09/23/22 06:29am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The battle for renewable and emission free energy initiatives will come down to money. The fossil fuel guys are not going away quietly. There is too much money at stake.
This battle will consist of lots of smear tactics and propaganda.
If just for a moment we assume that all the pipe dreams ideas for emission free vehicles and renewable enery will work.
There will still be a enormous battle for the money.
The battle will be all out corruption and misinformation from both sides.
In the end the winner will be the group that bought/bribed the most politicians.
Which will likely be the group with the most money to sway opinions.


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My family is on the green side of things for personal useage etc. BUT even at that, we realize that EV semis will not work for many years, if not a decade or two.
Nuclear was tried, as noted E85, E10...
Asked family why alcohol in fuel was a good thing. Burns cleaner! OK, so I need to go from using 10 gals in my trucks per 100 miles, lose x %mpg. Now use 11 gals of fuel plus agal of alcohol per 100 Mile's. How is that better for air, lowering oil purchase from OPEC etc. Diesel trucks same issue to a degree with biofuels added.
They did do a small turn about.
A majority of us realize as noted by many replys, this EV thing will not occur over night. Just a just as transportation, factory production will not get back to full production after this covid issue. A ressesion may occur, how bad, anybody's guess as to how bad, too many factors involved, .....
I will say, some of the things oil folks do, can be cleaner and better for mother earth. If they want to drill in sensitive environments, they need to be held accountable for damage. That has not occured in the past. Local home builders are held to higher standards on sensitive grounds than oil. Things need to change. They can better environmental stewards.

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2112 wrote:

And what have they DONE? Oil company profits are close to record highs. It doesn't look like anyone is putting them out of business anytime soon.

I pay attention to what is really happening. Not just the headlines.
I subscribe to The Wall street journal and read it daily.
The interesting thing about those record profits is that the stocks are really cheap. That is for a few reasons. Investors do not see a future for those companies. And Biden and a lot of congress want to take those profits away via a "windfall tax" Justified by the fact that they are not investing that money into expanding production!
The oil companies seeing a bleak future are actually acting in a responsible manner by wanting to do share buybacks and/or increase dividends. IOW, returning some of the investors (actually owners) money to them. The govt. wants them to spend that money now on production and let the investors take the loss later when they decide they do not need the oil companies anymore.



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This is why I say drive a Tesla and you won't see a long term future for those companies either. Note its not just Tesla, all the auto makers have committed to electric and have plans to quit producing ICE cars.
All the scuttle butt, debate and chatter we go through proclaiming are ICE vehicles will be around forever may make us feel better. But forever is about 50 years tops. I imagine Kids born today will witness the extinction of ICE vehicles.
Keep in mind the extinction of ICE does not have to be the end of camping and RV'ing. All vehicles as we know them will carry over and transform.
The gloom and doom of 100 mile limitations etc. will not exist.

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Lantley wrote:

This is why I say drive a Tesla and you won't see a long term future for those companies either. Note its not just Tesla, all the auto makers have committed to electric and have plans to quit producing ICE cars.
All the scuttle butt, debate and chatter we go through proclaiming are ICE vehicles will be around forever may make us feel better. But forever is about 50 years tops. I imagine Kids born today will witness the extinction of ICE vehicles.
Keep in mind the extinction of ICE does not have to be the end of camping and RV'ing. All vehicles as we know them will carry over and transform.
The gloom and doom of 100 mile limitations etc. will not exist.
And that is a VERY BIG bet.

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We likely disagree on the cause of these issues but IMO this is not the place for it. Seems most forums prohibit politics and religion since they are divisive distractions.

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I assume you like Runaway inflation, gas prices going up again fast, Electric and natural gas bills almost doubling, quickly increasing interest rates, and markets dropping like a rock.



I'm over 70 YO. Over my lifetime I have seen many cycles of what you are witching about. You know what they all had in common? They where all temporary, and all ended without violence.
OTOH, I also remember the turmoil of the '60s when many people work working to change society. Then we often disagreed about ideals and causes, but there was no disagreement about facts.

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The reason this is such a passionate subject is that we aren't being given a choice. Democracy and free market have been stuffed back in the drawer and this push for EV's is done under the agenda of saving the planet. And it's a lie. EV's aren't green and they aren't going to save the planet. But that rhetoric gets votes and generates revenue - for some. So yeah, it's political. The facts do not support that the EV life cycle will have a positive impact on the planet. In some ways production of EV's is worse than ICE's. They don't perform better than ICE's so what's the upside? Raw materials are finite, continued dependency on foreign nations, ecological impact, continued dependency on fossil fuels, end of lifecycle impacts, etc etc. It's the same problems in a different package. It's a rhetorical question because it doesn't matter. It's been decided for us.

If you really want to save the planet, ditch your vehicles and ride a bike.

And not that it matters but I am pretty liberal in my thinking. I believe in freedom of choice and fair market which used to be closely held democratic concepts. I find this governmental push of EV's down our throats rather hypocritical given recent outrage to the loss of particular freedoms.

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Huntindog wrote:

Lantley wrote:

This is why I say drive a Tesla and you won't see a long term future for those companies either. Note its not just Tesla, all the auto makers have committed to electric and have plans to quit producing ICE cars.
All the scuttle butt, debate and chatter we go through proclaiming are ICE vehicles will be around forever may make us feel better. But forever is about 50 years tops. I imagine Kids born today will witness the extinction of ICE vehicles.
Keep in mind the extinction of ICE does not have to be the end of camping and RV'ing. All vehicles as we know them will carry over and transform.
The gloom and doom of 100 mile limitations etc. will not exist.
And that is a VERY BIG bet.

I hear you and agree a lot has to happen, but a lot has already happened over the last 50 years. None of these changes will occurr overnight. The battle over the dollars is bigger than the battle over the technology. Who will win financially in the end is the quesetion.
Right now Elon Musk is the winner,but5 the battle has just begun.
Nevertheless I am not making up these intentions, Car companies have announced they are stopping production of ICE cars.You reported investors are pulling back from fossil fuel companies. Change is underway

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