Grit dog wrote:



So even less relevant to your '23?

Pbutler97 wrote:

...Reading through this thread, orders for the 23 Super Duty does not open until next week? One poster said someone ordered a 22 and it's not going to be built until December? GM has had 23 HDs on the lots for at least two months, almost drove one home two weeks ago, and I received a GM email last week that the 24 Sierra HD can be ordered starting mid January for late spring 2023 delivery. Is Ford that far behind the ball and why, shortages? I don't remember Ford being behind on model year roll outs ever, usually the exact opposite?

Dadoffourgirls wrote:



I can speculate on these model years. Ford and GM are striving to produce the most trucks. The GM 2023 is a carry-over, as GM is doing the enhancement for 2024. Ford is doing the enhancement for 2023. If they spent down time, they would produce less. This is all business strategies. Ford extended their 2013 F150 model year to produce many more trucks and offer great deals while GM was bringing on the new 2014 models. The business model is more complex than many think.

Pbutler97 wrote:

...I was thinking along those lines in the back of my head.

I am stuck on longbeds. Try finding one of those in any a Ford or GM with crew cab, gas engine, and not a WT/Pro (Chevy/GMC) or Ford XL trim level sitting on a lot That was a tough nut even prior to this current foolishness. Lately I've been finding more than a few on lots or in the pipeline, and the dealers have come off of the added market adjustments of $5K or more. Most are only wanting "sticker". Screw that. At the same time they are seemingly back to the old standby of trying to lowball trades. All of that tells me they are starting to get the heebie jeebies when the current and future economic winds are taken into account. They've all but talked me out of a new truck and If I do pull the trigger on a GMC, or maybe a Ford, it will now be a 2024.

Pbutler97 wrote:



I was thinking along those lines in the back of my head.

I am stuck on longbeds. Try finding one of those in any a Ford or GM with crew cab, gas engine, and not a WT/Pro (Chevy/GMC) or Ford XL trim level sitting on a lot That was a tough nut even prior to this current foolishness. Lately I've been finding more than a few on lots or in the pipeline, and the dealers have come off of the added market adjustments of $5K or more. Most are only wanting "sticker". Screw that. At the same time they are seemingly back to the old standby of trying to lowball trades. All of that tells me they are starting to get the heebie jeebies when the current and future economic winds are taken into account. They've all but talked me out of a new truck and If I do pull the trigger on a GMC, or maybe a Ford, it will now be a 2024.

4x4ord wrote:

I was towing in the mountains on the weekend and found the current Powerstroke’s poor torque rise to contribute to a negative towing experience. The engine looses rpm too quickly in the hills. I’d like to see 1200 lb ft of torque with about 505 HP. The other thing I found very annoying is the way my truck applies the wheel brakes on downhill grades while using cruise control. I found myself having to cancel cruise constantly to allow my truck to coast a bit on the downhill sections of road. The way cruise use to work was better.

Grit dog wrote:

To further what Pbutler said, I’ve been shopping for the opposite recently. Need one in 2 months. Shortbed CC half ton.
I’ve seen new HD Diesels and high end held tons are back to sticker price (as advertised), and the typical areas of the country with better pricing are now back to offering significant discounts off MSRP on mid level and base model 1/2 tons.
Even some newer used 1/2 tons around here are not priced in the stratosphere anymore and they’re not flying off of Craigslist daily like they were.
But most dipchits are still trying to get $70-90k for low mile newish diesels.