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blt2ski
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Id stay in the 3.42, 3.55 or 3.73 on how you drive. The 3.92 will not accelerate that much faster.
GM for what it's worth, with an Eaton kicker is the best strongest one used vs Dodge. Toyota gas an electric Eaton, iirc 4.10 gears, 10.5" r&p.they chew up fuel!
I dought you'll find one, but the GM / Dodge 3.xL diesels could be fun too. But have to admit, they are a bit shy HP of the gaz rigs. Plenty of torque.
As many have said, as have you, many ways too look at this, all are correct, ALL are wrong too!
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rjstractor
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Grit dog wrote:I'm now surmising the results were from 2wd launches/traction control doing its thing, inconsistent data or inconsistent runs.
I think that's it, those trucks have to be traction-limited off the line. But with twice the power and twice as many gear ratios as the trucks our dads drove, the taller gears aren't going to matter much.
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Grit dog
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blt2ski wrote:Id stay in the 3.42, 3.55 or 3.73 on how you drive. The 3.92 will not accelerate that much faster.
GM for what it's worth, with an Eaton kicker is the best strongest one used vs Dodge. Toyota gas an electric Eaton, iirc 4.10 gears, 10.5" r&p.they chew up fuel!
I dought you'll find one, but the GM / Dodge 3.xL diesels could be fun too. But have to admit, they are a bit shy HP of the gaz rigs. Plenty of torque.
As many have said, as have you, many ways too look at this, all are correct, ALL are wrong too!
Marty
Not much chance of a Yoder sitting in the driveway of this red blooded, beer drinkin, chew spittin American...purely for the optics of it, of course, but I do belive it would be a good choice as far as resale goes. Although kinda like a diesel, you pay the premium and then wait to get it back later.
I would totally consider and likely buy a 3.0 diesel pickup if I was footing the fuel bill. And it would be a new baby Dmax with the bump in power. Not a Ecodiesel or whatever Frod offered for like 2 years and didn't sell any of.
But my deal with my new job is an allowance paid monthly, that frankly would cover the insurance and payment (if I took a loan) on a new $80k big boy diesel...AND a fuel card.
As fuel is approx 50% of the total $ equation and "free" to me, fuel mileage is of little concern and reliability of repairing my own truck is of primary concern. However the propensity for emissions issues and the cost to repair out of warranty, in this case, kicks the baby diesel to the curb.
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RoyJ
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I have a 2014 with 3.21. You'll find the final ratio of a 3.21 vs 3.92 truck is exactly 1 gear apart.
i.e. A 3.21 truck in 4th is nearly the same as 3.92 truck in 5th, etc.
Empty, they're traction limited off the line. The 3.21 is faster as you're shifting less. Both will spin 1st gear to redline with a good launch.
The 3.21 revs low enough in 8th that MSD will never kick in, the 3.92 revs higher (equal to 7th on the 3.21), but MSD will kick in more often. If you get 33+ tires, then get the 3.92. Otherwise I feel 3.21 is perfect.
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Grit dog
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RoyJ wrote:I have a 2014 with 3.21. You'll find the final ratio of a 3.21 vs 3.92 truck is exactly 1 gear apart.
i.e. A 3.21 truck in 4th is nearly the same as 3.92 truck in 5th, etc.
Empty, they're traction limited off the line. The 3.21 is faster as you're shifting less. Both will spin 1st gear to redline with a good launch.
The 3.21 revs low enough in 8th that MSD will never kick in, the 3.92 revs higher (equal to 7th on the 3.21), but MSD will kick in more often. If you get 33+ tires, then get the 3.92. Otherwise I feel 3.21 is perfect.
Thank you, makes sense. Maybe why MSD rarely kicks in on our Charger. It hits 8th so soon in normal or Eco mode that I have to kick it down a gear (can't in Eco, paddles and manual mode are disabled) so it's not borderline lugging at that 45-55mph range.
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Grit dog
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Well was planning on looking at a 2019 Rebel. Nice lookin truck, panoramic sunroof and 3.92s. And a decent price if he would come down 10-15%...
But alas it appears the seller is likely another of the many Russian and Habib used car peddlers around here.
Communication has been weird and well, movin on from that one probably...
It was even local!
The % of "private party" sellers that are actually the owners of the cars seems to be getting smaller by the day around here.
Probably have to find one from the rusty side of the Cascades or go back to looking for new.
Got a couple months anyway.
Keep lookin!
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FishOnOne
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Would rather have a engine with cam phasers failure than a lifter failure any day.
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Bionic Man
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I’ve been on the waiting list for recall on the cam phasers for over a year. Add that to being without the Expedition for 8 1/2 weeks this summer due to no parts to rebuild an axle that failed at 30,000 miles, I’ll take my “chances” with MOPAR problems any day.
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FishOnOne
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Bionic Man wrote:I’ve been on the waiting list for recall on the cam phasers for over a year. Add that to being without the Expedition for 8 1/2 weeks this summer due to no parts to rebuild an axle that failed at 30,000 miles, I’ll take my “chances” with MOPAR problems any day.
Cam phasers is a simple rattle at startup with no internal engine damage like the failed Hemi lifter. I will stick with the facts and leave you with the chances. Roll the dice!
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RoyJ
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Grit dog wrote:Thank you, makes sense. Maybe why MSD rarely kicks in on our Charger. It hits 8th so soon in normal or Eco mode that I have to kick it down a gear (can't in Eco, paddles and manual mode are disabled) so it's not borderline lugging at that 45-55mph range.
Not sure about the Charger, but on my truck Eco is independent of MSD. Careful listening and with a scanner verified it.
In 8th, at 55 mph / 1200 rpm, I can maybe maintain 4 cyl if road is absolutely flat with a tailwind. In 7th, 50 mph, 1500 rpm, it'll maintain 4 cyl comfortably.
8th gear will maintain Eco "status" up to 70-75 mph or so, but V8 mode.
I bet a Charger can maintain 4 cyl mode longer due to much less drag.
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