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gemsworld
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Untold stories behind Indiana's RV boom:........ng pace, safety issues and broken bodies
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dedmiston
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Cloud Dancer
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I noticed some of this 20 years ago. I was there for 9 days. I complained, but then I soon learned that if you complain too much you find out that you simply become known as a complainer. There are no "magic wands"......
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wa8yxm
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I noticed the woman in the start of the story worked in a non-union shop.
People today say "We don't need no stinking unions"
She proves.. We still do.
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wa8yxm wrote:I noticed the woman in the start of the story worked in a non-union shop.
People today say "We don't need no stinking unions"
She proves.. We still do. Agreed.
Just recently there was an article about the ragged pace at UPS sort Louisville that make it sound worse than the slaves at Amazon. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/o........ide-employees-disclose-tragic-conditions
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shelbyfv
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wa8yxm wrote:I noticed the woman in the start of the story worked in a non-union shop.
People today say "We don't need no stinking unions"
She proves.. We still do. Yep, blue collar workers have seemingly turned their backs on the institution that was responsible for bringing them into the middle class. Now they are dropping back down and blaming everything but the obvious. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead")
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wa8yxm
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shelbyfv wrote:wa8yxm wrote:I noticed the woman in the start of the story worked in a non-union shop.
People today say "We don't need no stinking unions"
She proves.. We still do. Yep, blue collar workers have seemingly turned their backs on the institution that was responsible for bringing them into the middle class. Now they are dropping back down and blaming everything but the obvious.
Well the pendulum swings both ways.. I'm not quite old enough to remember the days of Walter P. Ruther and the strikes at the Detroit auto makers... But I am old enough to remember the Lockout of workers at the Detroit Newspapers. (NOTE Lockout is a management act) and the stories about Vance Security that ... Well let's just say they are still paying for the damage they did).
At one time the Unions got a bit out of hand. If say an apartment complex was being built by non-union labor. they came to work in the morning and the toilets had been filled with concrete.. kind of out of hand.. and worse.
Then union busting became legal in the 80s. and here we are today. Almost.. ALMOST back where we started.
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4x4van
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Many unions have become too strong, and are actually a detriment to their industry, and eventually their members. Teacher's unions come to mind. And no insults any hard-working union members, but I have my own experiences to draw from.
In the early 80's, the Kaiser Steel union in CA destroyed the steel industry there, and ended up putting ALL of their workers out of work, and shutting down the plant entirely (Fontana raceway now sits on that property). My brother was a dispatcher for a trucking company that hauled steel out of Kaiser's Fontana plant. Employers were drinking, heavily, on the job while loading hundreds of tons of steel (safety anyone?), and the management had their hands tied because of the union's strength. The truck drivers would have to wait for 4-6 hours before getting loaded...unless they brought a 12-pack of beer; then they were loaded up within an hour.
Also in the 80's, I worked for General Telephone. A GTE employee drove into an elementary school parking lot, got out of the GTE car, flashed 2 schoolgirls, and then got back into the car and drove away. Turned out that one of those girls was the granddaughter of GTE's president. It still took 6 months to fire him due to the union backing the employee. They were finally able to get rid of him, but only through a technicality: he had lied on a single question on his initial employment application 10 years earlier!
So say what you will, but I have little use for unions in this modern era. While the benefits and working conditions that unions have been responsible for over the years are great, they tend to put way too much effort into supporting workers who really don't deserve that support. At 60, half of my working life has been as a union member (middle), and half hasn't (early and late). Gotta say, my non-union days are/were better for me. Base my raises/perks on my performance, not simply my seniority or "membership"; I'll come out ahead every time, which is how it should be.
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It's a little sad to read this because my experience has been quite the opposite. I'm a member of a teacher's union in CA and I am retiring at 62 with great benefits. We are a "Rank Ten" college which means, by contract, we have to be among the top ten highest-paid faculty in the system, and in return, we consistently perform to a high level to maintain Rank Ten status. We're a community college and feed our students directly to Stanford, UC Berkeley, and UC Davis.
Our faculty union is small, serving only our institution. I know all of the leaders personally since they all come from our college. I spent 6 years as Department Chair and had to work often with SEIU, the union for our non-faculty employees (Admins, Lab Assistants, Maintenance, etc.) While it was laborious and time-consuming to remove an underperforming employee, it wasn't impossible. Document everything well, and let the due process have its way.
I used to train merchant seamen how to plan, cook, and run galleys shipboard and I dealt with various unions depending on which coast was the home port for the ship. I was somewhat constrained in what I could do but I never had any real difficulties. It was a great time in my career.
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JIMNLIN
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Some like to make a big deal out of one bad experience with unions protecting some one. Many times its just something they heard. There are lots of union haters.
I've worked for 58 years and its been my experience there is still a need for unions today.
I've been a member of United Aerospace Workers (UAW)....Transport Workers Union....IAM...and AFL/CIO in different mfg companies off and on since the late '50s.
I've also worked in several non union shops in a mfg environment. Most had the good old boy system or the "click" system.
IMO if a company treats employees fairly/equally there isn't a need for a union to represent them.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers
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