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shelbyfv
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4x4van wrote:In the early 80's, the Kaiser Steel union in CA destroyed the steel industry there.... ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif "rolleyes") LOL. About the same time that union was shutting down the steel industry, textile and furniture manufacturers abandoned the Southeast US and moved overseas. No unions down there to speak of. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif "doh")
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I just turned 76 and have worked in a good number of companies both union and non-union. My experiences have been in the manufacturing industry mostly as a machinist and later as a tool and die maker. I have seen unions that did worse to the workers than the company did. I have been a member of a couple good unions that did good for their members. There are companies I have worked for that the people really needed to form a union but did not. The last place I worked for 10 years was non-union and wanted to keep it that way so treated employees good and with respect. You cannot make a blanket statement about unions being good or bad, depends on the union and even the local. Jim.
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Same story has played out over and over again in other industries throughout the years. Yup, demand went through the roof, things got outta hand---less than stellar decisions were made by all concerned. Bottom line, with these kind of production pressures quality fell by the way-side, into the ditch.
I can't even imagine the horrors experienced by the dealerships and the end-consumers when they were unfairly saddled doing the final QA on these units. What a mess.
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04fxsts wrote:... You cannot make a blanket statement about unions being good or bad, depends on the union and even the local. Jim.
Thanks for this. In our divided world today people have lost sight of compromise. I was the President of a small union (1000 members) and we worked with a Fantastic management group. We saw eye to eye on almost everything and when problems arose it was usually due to some mid managers who were focused on climbing the ladder. We also had a few lazy members who thought the contract didn't really apply to them. I worked with the workers and the management worked with the misguided mid managers. We all focused on the goal at hand and it worked very well. The workers always wanted more and the management really did want to provide more but...financial limits were in place. Over time we got more, at least reasonable more, and everyone was satisfied, at least satisfied enough to work hard and move forward. Today, I am retired and the attitude has changed. Our win at all cost attitude is showing everywhere.
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aftermath wrote:04fxsts wrote:... You cannot make a blanket statement about unions being good or bad, depends on the union and even the local. Jim.
Thanks for this. In our divided world today people have lost sight of compromise. I was the President of a small union (1000 members) and we worked with a Fantastic management group. We saw eye to eye on almost everything and when problems arose it was usually due to some mid managers who were focused on climbing the ladder. We also had a few lazy members who thought the contract didn't really apply to them. I worked with the workers and the management worked with the misguided mid managers. We all focused on the goal at hand and it worked very well. The workers always wanted more and the management really did want to provide more but...financial limits were in place. Over time we got more, at least reasonable more, and everyone was satisfied, at least satisfied enough to work hard and move forward. Today, I am retired and the attitude has changed. Our win at all cost attitude is showing everywhere.
My Grandfather was involve in a construction union in the '30s. I once was looking thru instructions for new members on the job. One that caught my attention was the instruction to smoke "tailor made" or roll enough to get thru the day before shift. Boss is not paying to roll your smokes
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JIMNLIN wrote:Some like to make a big deal out of one bad experience with unions protecting some one. Many times its just something they heard. There are lots of union haters.
IMO if a company treats employees fairly/equally there isn't a need for a union to represent them.
While you are right that "some" do that, others do not. I have personally witnessed a number of bad experiences with unions, not just the 2 that I listed. Sorry, but it's not something I "heard", nor "one bad experience". But I agree that if a company treats employees fairly, there is no need for a union. Unfortunately, once a union is in place; much of the deserved "fairness" goes away in the name of "protecting" all employees. Sorry, but not all employees deserve to be "protected".
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shelbyfv wrote:wa8yxm wrote:I noticed the woman in the start of the story worked in a non-union shop.
People today say "We don't need no stinking unions"
She proves.. We still do. Yep, blue collar workers have seemingly turned their backs on the institution that was responsible for bringing them into the middle class. Now they are dropping back down and blaming everything but the obvious. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead")
Well there is a reason for this and it's political so I really don't want to go into it but if you recall the famous work of Pastor Martin Niemöller.. First they came or the socialists
THEN THEY CAME FOR THE TRADE UNIONISTS.
And so on
They came for the Trade unionists about 1980....
(When they came for me there was no one left to speak up)
Yes.. Sadly workers have turned their backs on the unions.. There are many reasons for this.. For one thing many unions have gotten so big that they are no longer representing the workers like they should. They have executive boards which are just like the employers. Out for Themselves.. and not for the workers.
I was a steward for one of the last True unions... We represented the workers for just one employer.. Alas we got replaced by the UAW.
The UAW has been in the news lately.. and it was not good news. (Some of them got busted).
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