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Grit dog

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JALLEN4 wrote: In Sept 2019 there were 3.45 million new units in dealer inventories. That is a number that has been over 4 million in the past. At the end of September 2022 dealers had 1.23 million units in stock which would include those ordered sold but not yet delivered or reported sold. One might imagine there is a long way to go before you could consider them plentiful!
Love obscure stats from the Googler, like when announcers find weird stats about athletes …
“Tom Brady has won 8 out of 10 games on a Monday night with a full moon…” type of thing.
All I know is around here, one of the MOST expensive places in the country to buy, well, about anything except seafood maybe, RV lots that were empty for 2 years are chock full, just about every dealer. Car dealers are filling back up. Very quickly and noticeably.
And since I happen to be truck shopping, have noticed that in other parts of the country, some trucks (half tons) are being offered at significantly lower than msrp again, and that trend increases by what seems to be weekly.
I’m increasingly confident that by the next presidential election, the country’s economy will be sitting approximately at the Rio Grande river! (It will have gone that far south…lol)
Unfortunate for some. I can’t wait for it to happen from a personal financial perspective.
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Interesting report, Pbutler. I’ll check my area.
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midnightsadie

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and I hope they stay on the lots were being taken to the price of everything. all this bull is man made.
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shelbyfv

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"all this bull is man made...." Well, the auto manufacturers did screw up with the chips. Otherwise, I expect that pesky virus that's killed 6.5 million so far may deserve some blame. Anyway, good to see improving inventory. I needed to buy a new vehicle this summer and it was the first time my choices have been limited by what was actually available.
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Grit dog

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shelbyfv wrote: "all this bull is man made...." ![confused [emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/confused.gif) Well, the auto manufacturers did screw up with the chips. Otherwise, I expect that pesky virus that's killed 6.5 million so far may deserve some blame. ![awink [emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif) Anyway, good to see improving inventory. I needed to buy a new vehicle this summer and it was the first time my choices have been limited by what was actually available.
I think you meant to say the over reaction to and subsequent gouging from that pesky virus…
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Bionic Man

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Maybe it’s a regional thing, but our local auto dealerships certainly are still very short of inventory.
And I’ll call BS on the 2500 gasser comment. I’ve seen reports in the past from RAM that an astronomical % of their sales were Cummins. And you can see it driving around too. Regardless of brand, if it’s a heavy duty it almost always has a diesel in it.
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BB_TX wrote: Pbutler97 wrote: Me Again wrote: Pbutler97 wrote: More 3/4 tons are sold with gas engines than diesel by a longshot regardless.
Could you show us where you got that statistic? That certainly is not the norm in Western States.
I know that statistic from dealing with sales managers over the last 20 years or so when it comes to fleet/commercial sales. Where did you get your statistic that it's not the norm in Western states? Visual observation on the highway?
The fleet sales is what pushes the numbers toward gas rather than diesel. Most 250/2500 work trucks in this area are gas. Privately owned trucks are more likely diesel even if they are used for nothing more than daily drivers. That may change with the costs of diesel on top of the cost of the engine.
Contrary to what some think, fleet and commercial sales make up the majority of the heavy duty truck market.
Bionic Man wrote:
And I’ll call BS on the 2500 gasser comment.
I'll call BS on your BS call.
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JALLEN4

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Grit dog wrote: JALLEN4 wrote: In Sept 2019 there were 3.45 million new units in dealer inventories. That is a number that has been over 4 million in the past. At the end of September 2022 dealers had 1.23 million units in stock which would include those ordered sold but not yet delivered or reported sold. One might imagine there is a long way to go before you could consider them plentiful!
Love obscure stats from the Googler, like when announcers find weird stats about athletes …
“Tom Brady has won 8 out of 10 games on a Monday night with a full moon…” type of thing.
All I know is around here, one of the MOST expensive places in the country to buy, well, about anything except seafood maybe, RV lots that were empty for 2 years are chock full, just about every dealer. Car dealers are filling back up. Very quickly and noticeably.
And since I happen to be truck shopping, have noticed that in other parts of the country, some trucks (half tons) are being offered at significantly lower than msrp again, and that trend increases by what seems to be weekly.
I’m increasingly confident that by the next presidential election, the country’s economy will be sitting approximately at the Rio Grande river! (It will have gone that far south…lol)
Unfortunate for some. I can’t wait for it to happen from a personal financial perspective.
I am sure you are right. It is much more accurate to ride around in your neighborhood and make your own assessment instead of looking at actual statistics. As a forty year new car dealer now retired, I somewhat know how this deal works and I will stick with actual real numbers!
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FishOnOne

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Bionic Man wrote: Maybe it’s a regional thing, but our local auto dealerships certainly are still very short of inventory.
And I’ll call BS on the 2500 gasser comment. I’ve seen reports in the past from RAM that an astronomical % of their sales were Cummins. And you can see it driving around too. Regardless of brand, if it’s a heavy duty it almost always has a diesel in it.
There was a time when almost all Ram HD trucks were cummins powered, but in the last few years I've seen an increasing trend of Ram trucks with the Hemi badge on the truck and there's no denying that and now I see several every day. I spoke with the guy who was driving this cab and chassis truck about his hemi powered truck. He said that his company was transitioning to hemi's.
You can call BS but we now know Cummins is coming out with gas engines and it must be for a reason.
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Pbutler97 wrote: Dealers lots around Ohio/western PA are filling up with certain models. Not many heavy duty trucks but I'm seeing a few Chevy and GMC 2500's sit for weeks before being sold and a lot in the pipeline. 1/2 tons are everywhere. Monitoring black book trade and used retail values, they're dropping like a stone. The Dealers I have recently talked to are holding at MSRP on new with one willing to go below MSRP on a 2500 that has been sitting for over 6 weeks. Expect them all to have to start dealing again. Sales are down and dropping. No wonder if you've seen the prices at the grocery store recently and follow the number of companies announcing layoffs or hiring freezes.
That's good to hear.
I was in the Cincinnati/Dayton area earlier this month and I want to say I saw a chevy dealer with some trucks on the lot.
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