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Baja Man wrote:

1. Will only run propane heater while we are awake.
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BTW...are electric heaters safe to run while asleep?

pianotuna:
Is the reason to change the 120V outlet where a space may be used to replace with a house grade or better quality one?


There's no reason not to run the propane furnace when sleeping.... I do it all the time when I'm dry camped.

Yes, electric heaters are safe to run, any time. If they weren't safe to use, they wouldn't be sold.
If you have pets or children, then they may not be the best source of heat at night, because a blanket could fall on them, a pet or child could knock them off a counter, etc.
Good heaters have a tip-over shut off mechanism.

I installed a dedicate electrical outlet specifically for plugging a heater into.

Video of the outlet upgrade project


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Baja Man wrote:



BTW...are electric heaters safe to run while asleep?

pianotuna:
Is the reason to change the 120V outlet where a space may be used to replace with a house grade or better quality one?


The reason to change the outlet is the stab connectors are pretty much junk. The more wattage that is drawn the more likely they are to fail. I replaced all but two outlets in my RV.

Electric heaters are safe when treated with some respect. I.e. don't have anything which would restrict the air flow.

As I've said before--I like the oil filled type.


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I enjoy winter camping. One thing that made a big difference is a Mylar blanket (space blanket) UNDER the bottom sheet of the bed. Much warmer.


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You are glamping in an RV....there is no reason to not be comfortable! Put the heat temp at whatever makes you comfortable. I don't believe in bundling up with extra layers, hats, etc inside the RV. I'll usually put the thermostat such that it is 60-65*F inside the RV. Keep the wife happy and you will get to camp more! :-)

Stay warm!
Chris


I too, can't believe all the suggestions to wear bulky clothes, even hats, to bed, in an effort to keep warm. I wouldn't be able to sleep!

Even in early years, when tenting, I wore the same as at home (nuttin)! I used a sleeping bag, single or double, depending who my camping partner was.

Google will tell you, why you should sleep non-restricted. Sleeping skin to skin, with a partner you care about, will improve your relationship! No thanks needed, for this PSA.

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Sleeping skin to skin, with a partner you care about, will improve your relationship! No thanks needed, for this PSA.

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deltabravo wrote:

Baja Man wrote:

1. Will only run propane heater while we are awake.
2.

BTW...are electric heaters safe to run while asleep?

pianotuna:
Is the reason to change the 120V outlet where a space may be used to replace with a house grade or better quality one?


There's no reason not to run the propane furnace when sleeping.... I do it all the time when I'm dry camped.

Yes, electric heaters are safe to run, any time. If they weren't safe to use, they wouldn't be sold.
If you have pets or children, then they may not be the best source of heat at night, because a blanket could fall on them, a pet or child could knock them off a counter, etc.
Good heaters have a tip-over shut off mechanism.

I installed a dedicate electrical outlet specifically for plugging a heater into.

Video of the outlet upgrade project


agree on the outlet upgrades


well for us there are two reasons for not running the furnace when sleeping:
1) I guess we are light sleepers because the furnace cycling on and off makes enough noise that it wakes us up and we end up not getting a good nights sleep
2) We often dry camp for a week or more in remote places and in the spring and fall running the furnace all night sucks up propane, enough that we would run out of propane before we were done camping even with two 30lb tanks.

Now if the noise isn't an issue or you have enough then go ahead and run the furnace at night. no issues.


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Furnaces also use a lot of battery power to run the fan. Not everyone uses a generator or has solar to recharge batteries when dry camping. So, for them, bundling up allows them to dry camp for more than 2 nights.


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toedtoes wrote:

Furnaces also use a lot of battery power to run the fan. Not everyone uses a generator or has solar to recharge batteries when dry camping. So, for them, bundling up allows them to dry camp for more than 2 nights.


that is true. typical current draw for a furnace is between 8 and 12 amps depending on the furnace. On a cold night furnace can run for quite some time if you set the thermostat at "room" temperature.

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SJ-Chris wrote:

Regarding cleaning your black waste tank......

If your waste tank sensors are working/reading correctly, and there are no odors coming from your waste tank, then there is really no need to "clean" it. When people comment, "Why do you need a clean waste tank? blah blah blah" they are thinking about this scenario.

If you want to clean out your black waste tank BECAUSE the sensors aren't reading correctly, or there are odors, that is a legitimate reason. Driving around with 1/2 a tank full of clean water and/or soaps/etc often does the trick. But if you want an easier/faster way to do it you should add a black tank flush system. Sounds much fancier and expensive than it is.....I added a nice one for less than $50. You can read about it here.
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/30315748.cfm

Here is my experience using it... Assume I start with a black waste tank that is 1/2 to 3/4 full. I'm at the dump station. I hook up my waste hose (with a clear adapter so I can see the contents flow by). I open my black waste valve and it empties all the grossness you imagine. Then it stops. Now, if I hook up the water hose to my black tank flush and turn it on (with the black waste blade valve open) it actually sprays the interior of the black waste tank and LOTS MORE "stuff" flows through the sewer hose. What does this tell me? It tells me that a simple gravity flush gets out lots, but not all the contents of your black tank. As long as you are paying attention and don't get distracted (...suggestion: Start a timer on your phone), you can close the blade valve and fill your black tank half full of water through your tank flush system and then do a 2nd dump by opening up your blade valve. It will get even more "stuff" out of your tank.

My reason for installing the flush system was because my sensors would always read 1/3 or 2/3 full after a regular dump. My tornado flush system sprays/cleans the inside of the black waste tank in about 1 minute and my sensors read correctly. Yes, there are many people who will say, "I never read my sensors" or "I don't need my sensors". To each their own. I personally like sensors on my vehicles/RVs to work.

Good luck and happy dumping!

-Chris


Thanks for the tip on filling black tank a second time using the flush system. I have a factory flush system and use it after initial dump. Sensors are still not very accurate.

Never thought of filling a second time. I'll give it a try this next time we dump. My hopes are that a thorough cleaning by filling 1/2 way with detergent and Calgon, and driving 300 miles, may clean up sensors.


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deltabravo wrote:

Baja Man wrote:

1. Will only run propane heater while we are awake.
2.

BTW...are electric heaters safe to run while asleep?

pianotuna:
Is the reason to change the 120V outlet where a space may be used to replace with a house grade or better quality one?


There's no reason not to run the propane furnace when sleeping.... I do it all the time when I'm dry camped.

Yes, electric heaters are safe to run, any time. If they weren't safe to use, they wouldn't be sold.
If you have pets or children, then they may not be the best source of heat at night, because a blanket could fall on them, a pet or child could knock them off a counter, etc.
Good heaters have a tip-over shut off mechanism.

I installed a dedicate electrical outlet specifically for plugging a heater into.

Video of the outlet upgrade project


Thanks for the link to the added outlet!

Is the OEM wiring of smaller gauge, thus not appropriate for the amps of a heater? Or is it because it is a dedicated outlet to one breaker? In the video I did see where he is using 14ga romex and a 15amp breaker.

BTW...I just noticed the video is from Delta Bravo....hey you're famous!!!

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