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Autonomous driving isn’t actually a good thing either. If they can drive the vehicle without a driver why let people drive. I’ve watched some manufacturer presentations that talked about the future of transportation and it’s not about individual vehicle ownership. It’s about subscription type services that fleets of vehicles to pick you up and drop you off. He said markets will open where companies specialize in interior replacement and cleaning Interior cameras will keep an eye on things and regular checks and cleaning will be done along with a type of high tech sanitary treatment between passengers.
People can think it’s far fetched but in the green agenda it’s far far more realistic than thinking that we are going to RV. Tell me one way that packing up and leaving your house to travel all over is green
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azrving wrote:Autonomous driving isn’t actually a good thing either. If they can drive the vehicle without a driver why let people drive. I’ve watched some manufacturer presentations that talked about the future of transportation and it’s not about individual vehicle ownership. It’s about subscription type services that fleets of vehicles to pick you up and drop you off. He said markets will open where companies specialize in interior replacement and cleaning Interior cameras will keep an eye on things and regular checks and cleaning will be done along with a type of high tech sanitary treatment between passengers.
People can think it’s far fetched but in the green agenda it’s far far more realistic than thinking that we are going to RV. Tell me one way that packing up and leaving your house to travel all over is green
The other side of autonomous driving is that when medical reasons take your license away you’ll be able to keep your independence. Just jump in the car and say “take me to Walmart” or “the hospital” or wherever.
We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool.
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We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool. Excellent. How many traffic deaths and injuries are caused by humans every year...?
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Reisender wrote:azrving wrote:Autonomous driving isn’t actually a good thing either. If they can drive the vehicle without a driver why let people drive. I’ve watched some manufacturer presentations that talked about the future of transportation and it’s not about individual vehicle ownership. It’s about subscription type services that fleets of vehicles to pick you up and drop you off. He said markets will open where companies specialize in interior replacement and cleaning Interior cameras will keep an eye on things and regular checks and cleaning will be done along with a type of high tech sanitary treatment between passengers.
People can think it’s far fetched but in the green agenda it’s far far more realistic than thinking that we are going to RV. Tell me one way that packing up and leaving your house to travel all over is green
The other side of autonomous driving is that when medical reasons take your license away you’ll be able to keep your independence. Just jump in the car and say “take me to Walmart” or “the hospital” or wherever.
We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool.
It’s not a bad thing but a lot of people probably only look at it as a thing that is there if they want to use vs the whole system changing and it won’t include RVing. It would be far safer saving hundreds of thousands of lives each year and billions in care. It’s a system that wouldn’t include me driving a 1 ton diesel truck with a FW and a utility trailer behind it carrying two quads and two dirt bikes so we can ride around in the desert
It’s sort of energy intensive lol
I don’t think Klaus at the WEF would approve
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2oldman wrote:Reisender wrote:
We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool. Excellent. How many traffic deaths and injuries are caused by humans every year...?
Yah true. We have had some enlightening situations. Couple weeks ago we couldn’t figure out why it did a hard brake. Bad winter visibility. We didn’t see the lady approaching the crosswalk, but Jarvis did. (My wife’s name for her Tesla). Jarvis waited until she crossed and then continued on.
Last week it turned o to a street with a delivery van that was stopped. It was tight as it had to go between the delivery van and a parked car on the other side, it slowed down, put the mirrors in, went thru, put the mirrors out and continued on its way. Very cool.
It’s not perfect and still has a few intersections it doesn’t handle well but it improves with every update. (About once per month). When the lines are poor or snow covered it struggles. It needs constant monitoring and one must be ready to take over at any time. But it’s a level 2 system and that’s the way it is…for now.
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Reisender wrote:2oldman wrote:Reisender wrote:
We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool. Excellent. How many traffic deaths and injuries are caused by humans every year...?
Yah true. We have had some enlightening situations. Couple weeks ago we couldn’t figure out why it did a hard brake. Bad winter visibility. We didn’t see the lady approaching the crosswalk, but Jarvis did. (My wife’s name for her Tesla). Jarvis waited until she crossed and then continued on.
Last week it turned o to a street with a delivery van that was stopped. It was tight as it had to go between the delivery van and a parked car on the other side, it slowed down, put the mirrors in, went thru, put the mirrors out and continued on its way. Very cool.
It’s not perfect and still has a few intersections it doesn’t handle well but it improves with every update. (About once per month). When the lines are poor or snow covered it struggles. It needs constant monitoring and one must be ready to take over at any time. But it’s a level 2 system and that’s the way it is…for now.
Hold on now. Lol.
Let me be sure that I understand what you are saying. While it’s in autonomous mode you have to be ready to respond at any moment? If it’s in autonomous mode that would seem to indicate that the driver is relaxing and paying attention to other things. If you had to take over in a flash wth do you do? If you were not paying attention to everything that you would be paying attention to while you were driving how can you instantly know everything that’s going on when you have to take over
It seems safer to just drive it and eliminate that possibility. Nothing wrong with high tech tools to sense things and help the driver but remain in control
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azrving wrote:Reisender wrote:2oldman wrote:Reisender wrote:
We have full self drive (beta) on our car. It’s probably a few years away from being a level 5 autonomous system like that but it’s actually not far off. We like it. Mostly voice control. Kinda cool. Excellent. How many traffic deaths and injuries are caused by humans every year...?
Yah true. We have had some enlightening situations. Couple weeks ago we couldn’t figure out why it did a hard brake. Bad winter visibility. We didn’t see the lady approaching the crosswalk, but Jarvis did. (My wife’s name for her Tesla). Jarvis waited until she crossed and then continued on.
Last week it turned o to a street with a delivery van that was stopped. It was tight as it had to go between the delivery van and a parked car on the other side, it slowed down, put the mirrors in, went thru, put the mirrors out and continued on its way. Very cool.
It’s not perfect and still has a few intersections it doesn’t handle well but it improves with every update. (About once per month). When the lines are poor or snow covered it struggles. It needs constant monitoring and one must be ready to take over at any time. But it’s a level 2 system and that’s the way it is…for now.
Hold on now. Lol.
Let me be sure that I understand what you are saying. While it’s in autonomous mode you have to be ready to respond at any moment? If it’s in autonomous mode that would seem to indicate that the driver is relaxing and paying attention to other things. If you had to take over in a flash wth do you do? If you were not paying attention to everything that you would be paying attention to while you were driving how can you instantly know everything that’s going on when you have to take over
It seems safer to just drive it and eliminate that possibility. Nothing wrong with high tech tools to sense things and help the driver but remain in control
No. It’s Beta and you must qualify for the beta program by demonstrating to the AI that you are a safe non aggressive driver. Your eyes are monitored and your hands must be on the wheel. After x amount of miles without aggressive braking or driving you are granted FSD full beta access. There are about 285,000 beta testers. It took about 3 weeks of monitored driving for us to get full beta access.
Its still only classified as a level 2 system that needs constant monitoring. Hands must be on the steering wheel and you must be looking at the road. Otherwise you get a warning and the system will disengage. If you do that 5 times you are denied access to the beta features until you re qualify by having x amount of miles monitored safe driving.
It gets better all the time, but like I say it still struggles with a few intersections in our city. It used to have problems with traffic circles but those have gotten a lot better with the last two updates. I would say most intervention now are when it proceeds to cautiously and we just don’t want to hold up traffic. It still does that on some double traffic circles. The people behind you have no idea it is an AI driving.
For whatever reason it is more confident at night and pretty much all beta testers have noticed that. Less shadows maybe? Not sure. But it is noticeable.
Oh, and as soon as you hook up a trailer to the 7 pin connector the FSD beta is disabled. So obviously we don’t use it when pulling our RV.
Hope that explains it.
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2oldman wrote:Excellent. How many traffic deaths and injuries are caused by humans every year...? People tend to forgive others for an inadvertent collision more than a programmed machine. While reducing traffic deaths by half would be great it could take a 90%+ reduction before the self driving is really accepted.
Last I read it is about 40,000 vehicle deaths per year in the US. If there was even 10% of that many airline deaths it would be the end of the industry. And yet here we are.
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Reisend Thanks for explaining. I was thinking wth lol
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azrving wrote:Reisend Thanks for explaining. I was thinking wth lol
My pleasure. If you have any questions ask away.
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