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azrving wrote:Autonomous driving isn’t actually a good thing either. If they can drive the vehicle without a driver why let people drive. I’ve watched some manufacturer presentations that talked about the future of transportation and it’s not about individual vehicle ownership. It’s about subscription type services that fleets of vehicles to pick you up and drop you off. He said markets will open where companies specialize in interior replacement and cleaning Interior cameras will keep an eye on things and regular checks and cleaning will be done along with a type of high tech sanitary treatment between passengers.
People can think it’s far fetched but in the green agenda it’s far far more realistic than thinking that we are going to RV. Tell me one way that packing up and leaving your house to travel all over is green
Millions of miles of driving this country's highways, I can say for sure the self-driving car can't be worse on average than humans.
This week took round trip across the state all on I70. I bet traffic would move smoother if everybody would just set the speed control. Best if all would drive same speed, but when a car speeds up because there is a vehicle in left lane traffic flow can be impacted for miles, people get frustrated. Does Jarvis get road-rage?
When I was a kid, everybody I knew wanted to get DL as soon as we got old enough. Most of us drove, at least farm to farm, some to town if needed. The DL meant we could go to town, or even into city for fun.
Now, from what I hear, a lot of people that live in cities, have good public transportation, see no need to drive
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Less than 5% of the vehicles currently on the roads are hybrids, and personally I see hybrids as the next logical step in this chain of events. SO, if less than 5% of us are using a proven technology that has been around for a couple decades now, what makes everyone think that all of a sudden the American populous is going to embrace EV or hydrogen technology? I think it's a looooong road, even after (and IF) our infrastructure gets to the point of treating EV's as the norm.
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are your lawn tools solar powered? probably are fossil fuel powered for a source.
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Reisender wrote:azrving wrote:Reisend Thanks for explaining. I was thinking wth lol
My pleasure. If you have any questions ask away.
Reisender, you seem to be well versed on the EV subject so I have a few questions. What's your thoughts on the ecological impact of mining the finite resources for batteries? I recently read an article where as a response to predicted limited resources companies are already vying for contracts to mine unknown regions of the sea floor - with unpredictable consequences. What's your thoughts on continued dependency on foreign nations for resources - many of which conflict with our humanitarian laws? What's your thoughts on the actual CO2 emissions when you factor in the entire manufacturing lifecycle and ecological impacts of the caustic and hazardous waste required to manufacture? What's your thoughts on the continued reliance on a taxed power grid and how increased demand will affect cost?
And something no one talks about, what about in the increased EMF emissions and the long term effects they have on humans?
I am not trying to be crass, but I bring these things up with EV proponents and I never really get an answer. Are the advantages simply power efficiency and are we just dropping the "greener" argument? All things considered, EV's aren't green.
I am not anti EV. I appreciate advances in technology. But what problem(s) have we really solved? And it's hard to argue that EV technology hasn't simply brought new problems to replace the old ones.
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way2roll wrote:Reisender wrote:azrving wrote:Reisend Thanks for explaining. I was thinking wth lol
My pleasure. If you have any questions ask away.
Reisender, you seem to be well versed on the EV subject so I have a few questions. What's your thoughts on the ecological impact of mining the finite resources for batteries? I recently read an article where as a response to predicted limited resources companies are already vying for contracts to mine unknown regions of the sea floor - with unpredictable consequences. What's your thoughts on continued dependency on foreign nations for resources - many of which conflict with our humanitarian laws? What's your thoughts on the actual CO2 emissions when you factor in the entire manufacturing lifecycle and ecological impacts of the caustic and hazardous waste required to manufacture? What's your thoughts on the continued reliance on a taxed power grid and how increased demand will affect cost?
And something no one talks about, what about in the increased EMF emissions and the long term effects they have on humans?
I am not trying to be crass, but I bring these things up with EV proponents and I never really get an answer. Are the advantages simply power efficiency and are we just dropping the "greener" argument? All things considered, EV's aren't green.
I am not anti EV. I appreciate advances in technology. But what problem(s) have we really solved? And it's hard to argue that EV technology hasn't simply brought new problems to replace the old ones.
Good morning waytoroll.
Unfortunately I am not knowledgeable in any of those areas so can’t really contribute an intelligent comment. I can say I would probably concur with the main stream science that indicates less little tail pipes and more centralized ones are an overall plus for air quality in general. That’s obvious just from how air quality is improving in cities with less tail pipes and more EV’s.
I don’t know much about the grid but here in BC we have a surplus of hydro and the utility BC hydro indicates they don’t expect problems adapting over the next 35 year transition.
Re mining. I think if it’s done in a responsible way it’s fine, just like the petrochemical industry. Companies need to be held accountable for practices. I have no more issues with the mining industry than I do with the petro chemical industry or pipelines. I am generally pro-industry as it brings wealth and well being to a population if it’s done right.
I am a huge advocate of recycling. Mine once and then re-use.
We have been driving only EV’s for the last 7 years. For our needs we find them superior to any gas vehicle we have had in our current use situation. Especially in winter. When it gets down around minus 25 which is common for us here. We just came thru another minus 27 cold snap. Just a more convenient more comfortable and much higher performance way to get around. We are both high performance and techy buffs so EV’s are a natural fit for us.
And as RVers it fits well with our needs. We are retired and tour a lot so don’t really need the longer range that comes with a gasser. Having said that our old Grand Cherokee really didn’t go that much further before needing a fill up. Maybe 40 or 50 kilometers. And it was gutless, stinky hot pig compared to the Tesla when towing. It is a towing beast.
Everybody has different needs. I’m sure an EV isn’t right for everybody. But after 7 years of watching peoples reactions after a test drive in a tesla I think it suits a lot more people than people think. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") .
Hope that helps.
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“Especially in winter. When it gets down around minus 25 which is common for us here. We just came thru another minus 27 cold snap.”
So how does -27 degrees (-17 degrees F) effect that Tesla? Driving distance/range? Charging time to 100%? Power?
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time2roll wrote:People tend to forgive others for an inadvertent collision more than a programmed machine. ..but let a computer kill even one and that's a disaster. Every time I'm in the left lane, even for a few seconds, and I'm being tailgated so the impatient driver behind me can speed, I think of how much safer we'd all be with autonomous drivers.
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Reisender, Thanks for your information. I'm still in the thought process of EVs - Oh there is another car that says 2 motors?... EVs are certainly a future consideration for us.
From what I've read battery mining and disposal are a major world wide environmental impact yet to be solved. And the US electrical grid today is inadequate for a major EV change.
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Reisender wrote:Everybody has different needs. I’m sure an EV isn’t right for everybody. But after 7 years of watching peoples reactions after a test drive in a tesla I think it suits a lot more people than people think. Some people are just dead set against them no matter what the benefit. I took my neighbor for a ride in my new Leaf, and while quickly accelerating up a 5% grade, all he could do was complain about the headrest.
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ronharmless wrote:“Especially in winter. When it gets down around minus 25 which is common for us here. We just came thru another minus 27 cold snap.”
So how does -27 degrees (-17 degrees F) effect that Tesla? Driving distance/range? Charging time to 100%? Power?
Range at that temp is probably 30 percent down from normal. Day to day it makes no difference as we charge every night at home in the driveway or garage. On a road trip it does. Our most common road trip is to Vancouver which is 474 kilometers. On that trip we end up stopping in Merritt (halfway) for an extra 15 minute charge stop. As long as you navigate to the supercharger the car knows to pre-condition the battery (warm) and charging speed doesn’t change much. The last time we did it it was minus 15 celcius and the supercharger pinned at 250 kw. Heads up. This pre-conditions feature is unique to teslas and very recent Hyundais. Rivian is also introducing it. If you are thinking of sn EV and live in the north don’t even think about buying an EV without this feature. There is a reason that Teslas are the number one sold vehicle in some Nordic countries like Norway. Not number one electric vehicle, but number one vehicle.
If the battery is cold (parked over night or whatever) charging starts out VERY SLOW. We have never been in that situation but have seen some test videos on it. It can double or triple charge time. Generally at the end of the travel day we charge before parking so we don’t have to charge first thing on a cold morning at a supercharger . By the time we have to charge the car and the battery is always warm so charging is normal. Its one of those read the manual and best practices things.
Our grand Cherokee didn’t lose as much range in the winter (although it easily lost 10 percent) but it was definitely not near as capable of a winter vehicle either. Especially winter starting. We have a ton of EV’s in our area (highest adaption rate in North America). The first real cold snap sees a lot of EV’s jumping gassers, getting people to work or appointments etc. There is actually a place on Facebook where people can ask for boosts or emergency rides etc. The EVers are always happy to pitch in.
I don’t think EV’s are the right winter vehicle for everyone. In our situation they are superior. But we live in a province with some of the best charging infrastructure on the continent, and it’s getting better literally every day. For provinces with poor infrastructure or for those that live in isolated places a gas or diesel vehicle would be a better choice. Before buying an EV assess where you are, where you travel to and your lifestyle and make informed decisions accordingly.
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