Grit dog wrote:

Reading your other thread about the purchase, I’ll suggest based on what you wrote that you may have had them build a unit that they just couldn’t get the weights as you needed them to be.

dsrace wrote:



yes i did give them the info with the hopes they had some sort of modeling program they could feed the info into. apparently they do not or forgot to or they do not want to move axles on the frames. either way this is what it is. i do understand that is difficult with out know what everything will weigh, forward of the axles, on a custom build. they buy the trailers from lci and modify them, some.

Grit dog wrote:



I totally agree with you. And nothing against the mfg or your choice.
If anything I could make a case that they tried to balance the load vs tongue weight better rather than just making the empty tongue weight obtrusively heavy.
I never weighed the TH in my sig but air pressure and surface area makes for an easy weight calculation and based on required airbag pressure to return to unloaded ride height (didn’t haul with that much pressure I’d let the springs take some of the static load of course) the tongue weight of that I’ll call it mid size toyhauler was every bit of 16-1800lbs with an empty garage and full LP, 2 GC batteries and a “normal” amount of stuff loaded in the front storage and front bedroom.
Doing some quick math I could have put 1000lbs at the very back of the trailer (like an @ss heavy big buggy like yours) and maintained a sufficient tongue weight, > 1000lbs on the tongue.
So in a sense, my trailer had the opposite issue as yours. Even with say 4 dirt bikes or quads, I wouldn’t have taken off a great amount of tongue weight.

Back to the everything about different RVs is some sort of compromise. And yours happens to fall slightly on the wrong side of acceptable compromise for the load you’re carrying.
Which tends to happen and some considerations are required when using any equipment close to its limitations.

Will be interesting and telling to see the actual weights on your hitch.
Once you have a couple actual weights, you can use the dimensions of the trailer, axle cenrterline and estimated load weight placement to see how the gn conversion would affect the pin weight and how moving the axles aft would affect either tongue or pin.
The ultimate solution and a distinct advantage to gn/5ver trailers (all of them including semis) vs bumper pull is the ability to get the “tongue” weight over the tow rig rear axle(s) thus allowing a far higher pin weight than could be sustained as tongue weight.
That’s why there are very few high capacity bp trailers. Big tag trailers designed to haul equipment behind 10 wheel dump trucks are the only obvious ones I can think of. And in the big trailer world, they have similar limitations compared to drop decks and gooseneck trailers. Just on a larger scale.

The bulletproof solution is the GN attachment AND moving the axles aft. Which makes it a non starter and better off to just go find a 5th wheel toyhauler again. But hopefully you can find a balance that is acceptable and within practical means and expense with your existing setup.

Grit dog wrote:

Idk if this helps, hope it does from perspective alone. It’s like a homework or exam question from college to me! Lol.

Grit dog wrote:

It’s not pin weight.

Grit dog wrote:

It’s not pin weight.