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Posted: 01/13/23 09:41am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yep. One of the few places on the internet to find so many "don't need no science" anthro-whatever climate change deniers. I'll likely tire of it soon, maybe even before they die out! And hey- aren't you supposed to be at work this time of day?

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Of course Climate Change is Real, if it wasn't for climate change the earth would still be covered in ICE!
The bigger question is how HOT will it eventually get.


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Michelle.S wrote:

Of course Climate Change is Real, if it wasn't for climate change the earth would still be covered in ICE!
The bigger question is how HOT will it eventually get.


Where’s the like button?
While I’m not a climate change denier, that pesky math comes into play again. Until the countries that don’t gaf about it come to the table ….ahem, China, ahem…. Even if the good ole USA and our hat to the north cut greenhouse gas emissions by 50% tomorrow, even 100%, it would make only a maybe 10% overall difference.
Until China, Russia (who is actually a small emitter for its size) and all the goat fooker countries do the same, we are just peeing into the wind!


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shelbyfv wrote:

Yep. One of the few places on the internet to find so many "don't need no science" anthro-whatever climate change deniers. I'll likely tire of it soon, maybe even before they die out! And hey- aren't you supposed to be at work this time of day?


Me? Bud I can always make time for you….

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shelbyfv wrote:

Yep. One of the few places on the internet to find so many "don't need no science" anthro-whatever climate change deniers. I'll likely tire of it soon, maybe even before they die out! And hey- aren't you supposed to be at work this time of day?


Usually condescension is best served by those with some level of superiority. I don't see that here. People usually resort to those tactics when they run out of ways to communicate effectively. I also don't see any climate change deniers. What I do see is a lot of folks who pick bits of science to support their agenda. If you are so bent on the climate change solution, I have news for you. Ev's aren't it. They aren't even green, let alone more green than ICE's. Mining, caustic waste, continued reliance on the power grid, manufacture, shipment of raw materials, disposal of used batteries, etc etc. All of which solve zero problems with respect to the environment. Just kicking the can down the road. We won't address the continued support of poor humanitarian conditions or continued reliance on foreign countries.

Why are EV's better again?

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way2roll wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:

Yep. One of the few places on the internet to find so many "don't need no science" anthro-whatever climate change deniers. I'll likely tire of it soon, maybe even before they die out! And hey- aren't you supposed to be at work this time of day?


Usually condescension is best served by those with some level of superiority. I don't see that here. People usually resort to those tactics when they run out of ways to communicate effectively. I also don't see any climate change deniers. What I do see is a lot of folks who pick bits of science to support their agenda. If you are so bent on the climate change solution, I have news for you. Ev's aren't it. They aren't even green, let alone more green than ICE's. Mining, caustic waste, continued reliance on the power grid, manufacture, shipment of raw materials, disposal of used batteries, etc etc. All of which solve zero problems with respect to the environment. Just kicking the can down the road. We won't address the continued support of poor humanitarian conditions or continued reliance on foreign countries.

Why are EV's better again?
So you are on board acknowledging man made climate change but you don't think a move from ICEs to EVs will help? Well here's the scoop. Bad metals, slaves, yap,yap Thing is, this isn't new info. It's been available to anyone truly interested. TL;DR? EVs are greener.

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How about Myth Number 7: The Governmental EPA is neutral, and will only show what's best overall. They have no agenda. [emoticon]


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What would be the nefarious "agenda" of the EPA? Are there legitimate non-government scientists who disagree with the info they provide?

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shelbyfv wrote:

way2roll wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:

Yep. One of the few places on the internet to find so many "don't need no science" anthro-whatever climate change deniers. I'll likely tire of it soon, maybe even before they die out! And hey- aren't you supposed to be at work this time of day?


Usually condescension is best served by those with some level of superiority. I don't see that here. People usually resort to those tactics when they run out of ways to communicate effectively. I also don't see any climate change deniers. What I do see is a lot of folks who pick bits of science to support their agenda. If you are so bent on the climate change solution, I have news for you. Ev's aren't it. They aren't even green, let alone more green than ICE's. Mining, caustic waste, continued reliance on the power grid, manufacture, shipment of raw materials, disposal of used batteries, etc etc. All of which solve zero problems with respect to the environment. Just kicking the can down the road. We won't address the continued support of poor humanitarian conditions or continued reliance on foreign countries.

Why are EV's better again?
So you are on board acknowledging man made climate change but you don't think a move from ICEs to EVs will help? Well here's the scoop. Bad metals, slaves, yap,yap Thing is, this isn't new info. It's been available to anyone truly interested. TL;DR? EVs are greener.


Totally slanted about emissions. All of it. No mention of the geological impact to mining or the hazardous wastes from battery manufacture. The only mention in the whole thing is a tiny sentence about recycling batteries in the future - TBD. Even they admit it's a challenge. No mention of humanitarian impact, I could go on. The government funded this project on a green agenda to secure votes. The green part fell apart. We made Musk the richest man on the planet because EV's never took off in a free market on their own for past 100 years. Heck most EV owners on here admit it's not about climate. For this one EPA "mythbuster" I can find dozens of reliable articles that argue every point (or rather every point of the cherry picking that goes on in the article). I was listening to NPR a while ago in a captivating segment on a swath of mining permit requests to mine unknown parts of the sea bed for battery materials due to the finite terra supply. These mining agendas have unknown consequences to an environment on our planet we know nothing about. Lots of kool aid going on here. Lots of faith in a government who has served us so well with honesty in the past (that was sarcasm). I'll stick to unbiased facts and science thanks.

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Nope, you won't find even one legitimate source that disagrees with what the EPA has published in that link. You can't believe in facts and science and deny climate change (or the net benefits of EVs) when virtually all scientists acknowledge it. As for kool aid, it seems to me that climate change deniers often embrace a plethora of other conspiracy theories.

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