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map40

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Posted: 01/14/23 08:13am

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ronharmless wrote:

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way2roll wrote:

Why are EV's better again?

That happens when you forget what you were writing about half way into the paragraph, which explains most of your posts.
EVs are better when they have a lower cost of ownership.
Forget all the bull-**** politics and skirt, skirt, skirt and cherry pick that you are writing, I'll make it simple for you: If an electric car means I will spend less money overall, that is what I drive. I have been doing it for 10 years. That is why an EV is better for a some application. I primarily care about my pocket, like most people in this world (or at least the ones who use reason over politics)

If EV’s are so cheap to own and operate, why do they spend billions of dollars of our money to subsidize them?

Did you not read MY POCKET? Like everybody else, I only care about MY POCKET, MY MONEY. I am not going into an argument which very few people in the country can have with enough information. I simply use the only common denominator to most people, THEIR OWN POCKET.

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way2roll wrote:

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Why do you think all auto manufacturers world wide have suddenly committed to EV?

After taking a ride in a Tesla you will have a much better understanding of the EV debate. You will understand why Elon is the richest man in the world and can afford to buy Twitter!
He single handily changed the game!

First, not all auto manufacturers world wide have committed to EV's. Second, the ONLY reasons US manufactures switched was due to state and federal regulations to do so coupled with subsidies. And at a cost. Ford alone cut 3,000 + jobs. Lastly, Elon is not the richest (or was) man in the world from selling Teslas. It's because the US gave him Billions in funding from taxpayer dollars. We won't delve into the fact that he nearly ran twitter in the ground in the first month.

Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology. But they are not the climate and ecological silver bullet they were touted as and they aren't thriving from a free market.

I'm sure you meant to say "opinion" instead of "facts" Musk's fortune did not come exclusively from subsidies. What you've seen is Capitalism at it's finest.

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First, not all auto manufacturers world wide have committed to EV's.

Which major manufacturer? All the US builders have, VAG has, Nissan, Toyota, and Hyundai all have. Volvo is fully committed as are Merc and BMW. Even Ferarri and McLaren are on board.

So I'm very curious which ones are not.

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pianotuna wrote:

map40 thanks for the confusing answer

That is confusing? Sorry. I'll make it easy. Buy whatever you want and don't worry.

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pianotuna wrote:

map40,

Define long distance?

Define heavy loads.

Why, just so you can sniggle about some new battery tech and Shelby can call him a climate change denier? Lol
The quality of post content really deteriorated quickly when folks try to start being overly literal and nit picky. It’s really in bad taste…
But hey, on the upside, this is the closest we’ve gotten to that classic long running, now no longer aired Tesla Semi thread! Don’t let ole 8.1 get a sniff of this one. He’s been being good about not polluting the threads with links to articles every day or week and it’s sort of refreshing, like the lack of diesel exhaust smell in the morning! Lol

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Posted: 01/14/23 08:38am

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map40 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

map40 thanks for the confusing answer

That is confusing? Sorry. I'll make it easy. Buy whatever you want and don't worry.

Lol, and yet it boils down to this… go figure.
map40 you’ve been around these forums for a minute…thanks for stepping up and keeping the common sense thing alive [emoticon]

. Some days common sense is on life support around here and half are trying to stab it in the heart with another stupid article about Musk (who also thinks with his pocket… ) and the other half are trying to make an AED out of a SiO2 battery!
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propchef wrote:

way2roll wrote:

Lantley wrote:

I'm sure you meant to say "opinion" instead of "facts" Musk's fortune did not come exclusively from subsidies. What you've seen is Capitalism at it's finest.

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First, not all auto manufacturers world wide have committed to EV's.

Here ya go. Reliable article that reveals Teslas would never have made it without Billions in subsidies and a recent loan from the department of energy. The government has a massive stake in this game and the driving force really.

CNN article

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Good morning Map40. I enjoy your posts and the balance they bring.

Just a heads up on our personal experience of trailering our 18 footer behind our SUV all over Canada and some of Washington state. . Although dedicated trailer stalls are still kind of rare, in most cases we don’t have to unhook out trailer to charge. There is usually an approach to the charger that works without blocking other chargers. Or sometimes we have to block a charger but of course if it’s quiet or there are a dozen superchargers it’s not a problem. Of course this happens at gas stations too.

All of this changes with bigger trailers of course but most SUV’s only pull small trailers. And we are definitely seeing more trailer friendly stalls. Here’s a few pics of our charge stops over the summer trip.

Cheers.

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I believe this was in Canmore Alberta. We saw 4 or 5 like this with back access. It worked...but wouldn't want a longer trailer.

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This is in Sault St Marie on the Canada side. Cool shot. Just a little Supercharger. We made it work.

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This one is Coburg Ontario...I think... [emoticon]

Less chance of a problem when they are this size...as long as its not a long weekend. [emoticon]

This one is in southern BC...somewhere... [emoticon]

. Maybe Castelgar. This is a FLO station. Kinda slow at 50 KW but actually a slow charger is kinda handy at lunch as you don't have to scarf down your meal to beat the charge complete text. [emoticon]

This one is Drummondville Quebec. We used it twice, once on the way in and once on the way back. Worked out good but this was actually a fairly busy little supercharger. Thought for sure I was going to have to move at one point.

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And speaking of Quebec city. Go. Its amazing.

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This is in Lillooet BC. Two dedicated trailer stalls. Nice. Notice the electric Harley charging

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We found a lot of BC hydro stations had parallel access as well. Two of us with teardrops managed to charge at this one on Vancouver island although this picture doesn’t show that. We just wanted to get a shot of the two similar units.

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And of course we did lots of charging at the campsite. Convenient and ready to roll when it’s time to hit the road. We stayed at the Air Force base campground in Comox. Open to ex military. Nice spot.

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If we ever blocking a charger we stay with the car and are ready to move if we have to. So far that hasn’t happened.

The other thing I wanted to mention is, you never actually have to go looking for a charger. The car or the app knows where they are and you simply navigate to them. As well there is never any doubt what you will arrive at as far as remaining charge. The software predicts that.

Hope that adds some perspective Map40.

* This post was edited 01/14/23 10:03am by Reisender *

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way2roll wrote:

Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology.

Try to do a tune up on an ice. First step connect the obe2 port.

Ask an automobile mechanic to do a tune up on a carburettor?

My point is that ice is even more complex and packed with more technology than a bev.

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Posted: 01/14/23 09:21am

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map40 wrote:

ronharmless wrote:

map40 wrote:

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Why are EV's better again?

If EV’s are so cheap to own and operate, why do they spend billions of dollars of our money to subsidize them?

And I am sure your POCKET included the nice tidy sum of the $7500 tax credit courtesy of the rest of us.

* This post was edited 01/14/23 09:39am by ronharmless *

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^^^ The CNN article is legit but I'm not sure it makes the point you think it makes. Musk sold some energy credits in a timely fashion. These credits would have been available to any mfg had they been producing low emissions vehicles. His rocket company made a bunch of money because NASA wanted transportation other than the Russians. Defense contractors get rich off taxpayer dollars, what's new or unique? Uncle Sam has bailed out Chrysler twice. Bailed out GM, $12 Billion. Bailed out S&Ls $130 Billion.... Yeah he's a reprehensible human but all this hand wringing is no more warranted than the sudden frenzy over "cobalt slaves" by folks with a house full of products from China.