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JRscooby
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blt2ski wrote:One thing I've noticed. It takes many versions, ea getting things better to realize true progress.
Saw a comparison to Wright brothers plane, to walking in the moon. Took 66 years.
We have a few more years/decades for EV or hydrogen power to be truly usable etc like ICE rigs. I'm positive things will get there. When, not if.
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The issue I see is the decades we have missed because of oil industry subsidies have gave ICEs a advantage over other technology. If you called the water heater system installed on WH by Carter as Wright brothers, we could be 2/3rds of way to moon. But the people that own politicians saw that could cause a decrease in demand.
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The best return on the dollar spent by a long shot is in increased efficiency but better windows and lights don't get snazzy marketing campaigns.
Is it deliberate that you don't mention the fuel efficiency mandates made cars go much farther on gallon of fuel? And some of that tech is transferred to EV.
Quote:An important item people forget about is fuel is only a portion of what we use crude oil for. If we were to cut fuel consumption in half, all the other products that use oil as a feed stock would skyrocket in cost. Take asphalt concrete as an example. It's relatively cheap but we use a lot of it for building and refurbishing roads. If we cut the supply in half, road construction costs would probably quadruple. It would also cause more damage to cars/trucks as road maintenance is put off.
Skyrocketing cost? Yes much of the crude is used for non-fuel products, much is plastic. Now, with much of the cost of getting oil to market paid for by motorist, it is cheaper to make new plastic packaging, instead of out of recycled, or even better reusing the containers. (You remember taking pop bottles back to store? IIRC, much of what we bought then was in glass jars. Glass containers can be cleaned/reused) If the cost of getting rid of the container/harm done to environment, was included in price of bottle pancake syrup, would it be cheaper to clean glass bottle?
And for decades the percentage of asphalt recycled has increased. As the price of the oil has gone up, technology to recycle has improved. Now I know some city/state contracts require a percentage of "virgin" material, but that can change. And if it is recycled, it is not in a fill.
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Tvov wrote:pianotuna wrote:
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Bottom line we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as we can.
Why? ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink") I know it's a joke but apparently somewhere between 7% and 14% of US adults are still climate change deniers. Scary isn't it?
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shelbyfv wrote:Tvov wrote:pianotuna wrote:
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Bottom line we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as we can.
Why? I know it's a joke but apparently somewhere between 7% and 14% of US adults are still climate change deniers. Scary isn't it? Weather forcasts are not accurate more than about a week out....Yet we are supposed to believe forcasts decades out?
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Huntindog wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Tvov wrote:pianotuna wrote:
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Bottom line we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as we can.
Why? I know it's a joke but apparently somewhere between 7% and 14% of US adults are still climate change deniers. Scary isn't it? Weather forcasts are not accurate more than about a week out....Yet we are supposed to believe forcasts decades out?
"Weather" and "climate" are not the same. It's a false comparison.
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propchef wrote:Huntindog wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Tvov wrote:pianotuna wrote:
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Bottom line we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as we can.
Why? I know it's a joke but apparently somewhere between 7% and 14% of US adults are still climate change deniers. Scary isn't it? Weather forcasts are not accurate more than about a week out....Yet we are supposed to believe forcasts decades out?
"Weather" and "climate" are not the same. It's a false comparison. So are you sayingthat they have nothing to do with one another?
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For those who don't believe look at the ice core studies.
Animals don't defecate where they eat. We are, in a sense, doing just that.
https://www.co2levels.org/
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shelbyfv
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Huntindog wrote:propchef wrote:Huntindog wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Tvov wrote:pianotuna wrote:
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Bottom line we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as we can.
Why? I know it's a joke but apparently somewhere between 7% and 14% of US adults are still climate change deniers. Scary isn't it? Weather forcasts are not accurate more than about a week out....Yet we are supposed to believe forcasts decades out?
"Weather" and "climate" are not the same. It's a false comparison. So are you sayingthat they have nothing to do with one another? Here is your explanation, just in case you aren't trolling.Weather vs Climate
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I'm no climate denier but "Climate Change" has been happening over and over, freezing and heating for millions of years. The earth shrugging off periodic inhabitants. What I think is funny, is that humans who have only been here a fraction of a sliver in the grand scheme make themselves so very important and claim that we can control it. The absurdity that we caused it and what's more funny that, that we can stop it. It's going to happen, with us or without us and continue happening long after we are gone. Are humans parasites that consume and destroy to our own demise? Yep. Does the earth care? Not really. We're killing ourselves, not the planet. This planet is much better off without us and will flourish again when we're gone.
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So help me out here . . . . are we talking about EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks or climate change?
Also, if I post my replies in a primary color, does that add credibility to my statements?
Life can be so confusing.
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FWIW In Oregon at least come 2035 new vehicles must be EV's. That reads vehicles like Tesla.
It's not what's in the guidelines.
"The rule allows for sales of plug-in hybrid vehicles, which run primarily on electricity but also are able to run on gas, to provide flexibility for Oregonians, especially those in rural areas with fewer charging stations.
The ban on gas cars does not affect cars already on the road and does not require Oregonians to stop buying gas-powered vehicles. Used gas-powered cars will continue to be available for sale within the state. Customers who want a new car that runs on gasoline will have to shop out of state."
"If there is a major loophole to be seen at the moment, it is the fact that under these rules sales of plug-in hybrids will be permitted past the 2035 date if they offer a range of 50 miles or more. This doesn't make a vehicle a zero-emission vehicle, as many critics note, so gas stations won't disappear overnight and automakers will be able to produce fairly large and heavy PHEVs well past 2035."
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