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ronharmless

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Posted: 01/14/23 09:48am

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pianotuna wrote:

What about the billions of subsidies to the oil companies?

What about Exxon (and likely others) knowing in the 1970-80ties about global climate change? All the while spending money to cast doubt on their own results?

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Just for grins, guess who’s going to be selling carbon credits in the Green New Deal:
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What would be the nefarious "agenda" of the EPA? Are there legitimate non-government scientists who disagree with the info they provide?

Almost surely. The EPA has never been known for it's exactness in their research. Witness the renowned accuracy of the EPA mileage numbers. [emoticon]

I grew up in the 60's and doubting government data is a fact of life. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, and I guarantee that I'll be less surprised in the results.

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pianotuna wrote:

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Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology.

Try to do a tune up on an ice. First step connect the obe2 port.

Ask an automobile mechanic to do a tune up on a carburettor?

My point is that ice is even more complex and packed with more technology than a bev.

Lol! You’re gettin a little out over your skis here….this is the point where making comparisons about things you don’t understand just turns to blathering…

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shelbyfv wrote:

^^^ The CNN article is legit but I'm not sure it makes the point you think it makes. Musk sold some energy credits in a timely fashion. These credits would have been available to any mfg had they been producing low emissions vehicles. His rocket company made a bunch of money because NASA wanted transportation other than the Russians. Defense contractors get rich off taxpayer dollars, what's new or unique? Uncle Sam has bailed out Chrysler twice. Bailed out GM, $12 Billion. Bailed out S&Ls $130 Billion.... Yeah he's a reprehensible human but all this hand wringing is no more warranted than the sudden frenzy over "cobalt slaves" by folks with a house full of products from China.

Very well stated!

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fj12ryder wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:

What would be the nefarious "agenda" of the EPA? Are there legitimate non-government scientists who disagree with the info they provide?

Almost surely. The EPA has never been known for it's exactness in their research. Witness the renowned accuracy of the EPA mileage numbers. [emoticon]

I grew up in the 60's and doubting government data is a fact of life. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, and I guarantee that I'll be less surprised in the results.

NEVER TRUST ANYBODY OVER 30!

OTOH, before EPA, what numbers did we use to compare likely economy between cars? Or which refrigerator would use most power?

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fj12ryder wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:

What would be the nefarious "agenda" of the EPA? Are there legitimate non-government scientists who disagree with the info they provide?

Almost surely. The EPA has never been known for it's exactness in their research. Witness the renowned accuracy of the EPA mileage numbers. [emoticon]

I grew up in the 60's and doubting government data is a fact of life. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, and I guarantee that I'll be less surprised in the results.

Yet we should or do all agree, us and our good, hockey playing neighbors, that we’re all thankful we’re not residents of one of the numerous 3rd world poop holes.
And there IS some good done by the govt. But to blindly trust the motives behind all of it, every day, is dangerous.
And the whole point of the discussion here is no different than the rest of them. There are some (many, unfortunately) who rather blindly through idealism and not realism simply refuse to believe or admit that the “next best thing” isn’t always, rarely in fact, exactly as it may appear just at face value.
However this is not new. It is human behavior. There are informed realists, there are gullible realists, there are informed and uninformed and gullible idealists. And there is someone or some entity waiting around every corner to take advantage of anyone and anything they can.
(Or more politely put, “capitalize” on anything they can.).
We are no different. I’ve met very few people in my 50 years that aren’t interested in making the best of an opportunity for themselves. If people weren’t interested in that we’d still be sitting around campfires stabbing each other and our food with sharpened sticks and rocks!

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Posted: 01/14/23 10:44am

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ronharmless wrote:

map40 wrote:

ronharmless wrote:

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Why are EV's better again?

That happens when you forget what you were writing about half way into the paragraph, which explains most of your posts.
EVs are better when they have a lower cost of ownership.
Forget all the bull-**** politics and skirt, skirt, skirt and cherry pick that you are writing, I'll make it simple for you: If an electric car means I will spend less money overall, that is what I drive. I have been doing it for 10 years. That is why an EV is better for a some application. I primarily care about my pocket, like most people in this world (or at least the ones who use reason over politics)

If EV’s are so cheap to own and operate, why do they spend billions of dollars of our money to subsidize them?

Did you not read MY POCKET? Like everybody else, I only care about MY POCKET, MY MONEY. I am not going into an argument which very few people in the country can have with enough information. I simply use the only common denominator to most people, THEIR OWN POCKET.

And I am sure your POCKET included the nice tidy sum of the $7500 tax credit courtesy of the rest of us.

No it did not, but if I could have taken it, you bet your a** I would have. As I said before, anybody who ever used a tax exemption or looked for ways to pay less taxes LEGALLY can't say anything against tax advantages for EVs. I am yet to meet the person that says "This is wrong, I want to pay more taxes". Have you?

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Reisender wrote:

Good morning Map40. I enjoy your posts and the balance they bring.

Just a heads up on our personal experience of trailering our 18 footer behind our SUV all over Canada and some of Washington state. . Although dedicated trailer stalls are still kind of rare, in most cases we don’t have to unhook out trailer to charge. There is usually an approach to the charger that works without blocking other chargers. Or sometimes we have to block a charger but of course if it’s quiet or there are a dozen superchargers it’s not a problem. Of course this happens at gas stations too.

All of this changes with bigger trailers of course but most SUV’s only pull small trailers. And we are definitely seeing more trailer friendly stalls. Here’s a few pics of our charge stops over the summer trip.

Cheers.

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I believe this was in Canmore Alberta. We saw 4 or 5 like this with back access. It worked...but wouldn't want a longer trailer.

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This is in Sault St Marie on the Canada side. Cool shot. Just a little Supercharger. We made it work.

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This one is Coburg Ontario...I think... [emoticon]

Less chance of a problem when they are this size...as long as its not a long weekend. [emoticon]

This one is in southern BC...somewhere... [emoticon]

. Maybe Castelgar. This is a FLO station. Kinda slow at 50 KW but actually a slow charger is kinda handy at lunch as you don't have to scarf down your meal to beat the charge complete text. [emoticon]

This one is Drummondville Quebec. We used it twice, once on the way in and once on the way back. Worked out good but this was actually a fairly busy little supercharger. Thought for sure I was going to have to move at one point.

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And speaking of Quebec city. Go. Its amazing.

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This is in Lillooet BC. Two dedicated trailer stalls. Nice. Notice the electric Harley charging

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We found a lot of BC hydro stations had parallel access as well. Two of us with teardrops managed to charge at this one on Vancouver island although this picture doesn’t show that. We just wanted to get a shot of the two similar units.

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And of course we did lots of charging at the campsite. Convenient and ready to roll when it’s time to hit the road. We stayed at the Air Force base campground in Comox. Open to ex military. Nice spot.

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If we ever blocking a charger we stay with the car and are ready to move if we have to. So far that hasn’t happened.

The other thing I wanted to mention is, you never actually have to go looking for a charger. The car or the app knows where they are and you simply navigate to them. As well there is never any doubt what you will arrive at as far as remaining charge. The software predicts that.

Hope that adds some perspective Map40.

Thank you very much for the post, it is great to see the perspective from a different reality. To be honest, from Florida to California or going up to Michigan normally we see more traffic in the supercharger network, but a lot of times what you do is certainly doable with no problem.
The only time in which is becomes a big issue is on long weekends or holliday weeks, in which the charging stations are already loaded at 100% and going in with a trailer on tow would be a hassle.
Nontheless you have certainly proven that is possible, and I am sure that the Tesla towing must be great with the torque of the electric motor.
Safe travels and again, Thanks for the post and the great pictures!

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pianotuna wrote:

way2roll wrote:

Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology.

Not sure what your point is. I didn't say the tech was a negative. Some of you need to stop being so emotional about this.

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way2roll wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

way2roll wrote:

Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology.

Not sure what your point is. I didn't say the tech was a negative. Some of you need to stop being so emotional about this.

There is less technology in a bev than an ice.

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