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nickthehunter
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pianotuna wrote:Grover I'm all for nuclear power, if you can tell me how and where to safely store the waste. Until that happens I'm anti nuclear. I think that is what Groover was alluding to. A lot of people don't want Co2 and don't want nuclear - they better get use to not having electricity also.
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pianotuna
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nickthehunter,
Currently in South Africa there are rolling black outs. About 8 hours per day there is no power. Their power comes from...nuclear.
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map40
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pianotuna wrote:nickthehunter,
Currently in South Africa there are rolling black outs. About 8 hours per day there is no power. Their power comes from...nuclear.
I have several friends in Southafrica and I got a little understanding of their problem while I was helping them setup their solar and battery systems. Their problem is deeper than power generation, it is distribution. Their grid is not designed like ours that when you cut a leg you have several other legs to take over. In their case there is no redunduncy and they lost a big power generation plant so they can't feed power to the rest of the country.
They have been in rolling blackouts for almost 2 years now, and most homes have generators to make up for the lack of power for bare necesities.
I don't know if this makes the example better or worse, because we could potentially end up in the same situation in some regions of the country, like what is going on in some areas of California or even worse, the problem with the lack of redunduncy and backup of the power grid in Texas
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Michelle.S
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That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035
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map40
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Michelle.S wrote:That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035
I don't think there is anything official yet. There is a couple of politicians from Wyoming asking for that, but so far is just political chattering. Do you remember where you read it?
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map40 wrote:Michelle.S wrote:That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035
I don't think there is anything official yet. There is a couple of politicians from Wyoming asking for that, but so far is just political chattering. Do you remember where you read it?
And are the same people wanting to tear down the windmills that are generating today?
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Michelle.S wrote:That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035
Interesting. The choice of gas cars will be getting pretty slim by then. 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (and bigger) are not affected by any sales restriction so people will still be able to buy those. That and Toyotas I suppose, and Mazda if they are still around.
If they don’t install charging infrastructure tourism will be limited from outside the state. In 2035 gas stations will still be common thru out North America but they will be on the decline. So when people from there leave the state fueling will slowly become more of an issue.
It will be kinda cool though. Visiting there in 30 years will be like going to Cuba and seeing all the cool old cars. Nice. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
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pianotuna wrote:Grover I'm all for nuclear power, if you can tell me how and where to safely store the waste. Until that happens I'm anti nuclear.
I believe that there are plenty of good options for storage. It is just that for every solution there are some people in opposition to it. Just yesterday I saw an article claiming that offshore windmills are killing whales and need to be banned. Windmills and solar panels both create large quantities of hazardous waste. Some of it is possibly as dangerous as anything that could comes out of a nuclear plant. Environmentalists are tearing down hydro plants and blocking new ones. Sometimes this is taken to far extremes. A dam near me was blocked 30 years ago by an environmentalist just looking for an excuse to block the dam. He found a previously unknown type of minnow in the river and the dam was blocked to save the minnow. Later it was discovered that the minnows are plentiful elsewhere but had not been noticed before.
So, if we block coal, nuclear, hydro, windmills, solar panels, and all types of petroleum products, how do you propose that we get around? Before you say horses keep in mind that they not only leave waste products in the road they also pollute the air and will even die in the road to be hauled away. You should read some articles about how nasty cities were before horses were replaced by the Model T.
Every power source has drawbacks. We either have to kill of 99% of the humans and go back to the stone age or we have to find a manageable course forward. Personally, I believe that nuclear fission has proven to be the safest and cleanest source we have that is both expandable and affordable. It is looking more and more likely that fusion will be a viable power source in the not too distant future but we are not there yet. There is also some significant progress being made with solar panels and they could well be the best option in many places. We need to keep an open mind to all options.
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RambleOnNW
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Groover wrote:pianotuna wrote:Grover I'm all for nuclear power, if you can tell me how and where to safely store the waste. Until that happens I'm anti nuclear.
I believe that there are plenty of good options for storage.
That is pretty naive.
Fact is no country anywhere in the world has a long term disposal site In operation.
No one wants high-level nuclear waste in their backyard.
So nuclear waste sits at open and closed nuclear plants, a huge security risk.
Look at the radioactive half lives of the high-level waste components:
Technetium-99 211,000 years
Tin-126 230,000 years
Selenium-79 327,000 years
Zirconium-93. 1,530,000 years
Caesium-135. 2,300,000 years
Palladium-107. 6,500,000 years
Iodine-129. 15,700,000 years
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Some of you guys are so woke, even as geriatrics, it’s sickening….
Never ever complain about the kids today until you look in the mirror….some of you dunno if yer foot or horseback!
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