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Posted: 01/20/23 09:06pm

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Huntindog wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

Latner wrote:

wnjj wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:

LOL,thanks but I can't afford to live in the PNW! Interesting and sad that you think you are able guess my politics by my posts about climate change. Maybe ask yourself why one of our political parties became anti-science. [emoticon]

Perhaps because science is so institutionalized that it has become $cience and some people recognize that. Imagine a scientist having a differing opinion about something without consequences. Also, “science” has been completely wrong plenty of times.

I can remember back in the 70's being told we need to get ready for the next "ice age" [emoticon]

I prefer to look at science as an ever evolving changing learning experience.

When I was in college early 80's, there was only a plant and animal kingdom. Went to my youngest daughters science teacher student eval around 2005. Daughter mentioned 5 kingdoms....I did a double take. She mentioned the new three. Realized the three new ones, my teacher had mentioned splitting these groups out as more was known about them.
Same thing happened 5-8 years later, she was literally taking the same Art color class, same college, different teacher. Their is now 99 shades of gray between black and white. Only 9 when I took the class. Reality with computers, I'm sure there are more shades of gray.
Things change as we learn about things. It will depend upon many things as to how long it will take to make things work.
Hydrogen pipes as noted is one item that needs fixing before using this fuel becomes a reality. How long will this take.
US being a supplier of lithium for batteries. YES largest mine in worl "will be" in Nevada. No permits have been give out yet!
As many have also noted, they have learned some things via this post. Let's continue to do so.

Marty

No permits = no mine.
I am not at at all convinced that mine will happen.
One thing the enviromental faction has taught, is that all you gotta do is tie a project up in the permitting, enviromental reviews and then in the courts. Most projects never get off the ground anymore. Think about some of the big projects such as Hoover dam. It would never happen today.

I guess it takes authoritarian Gov to get things done [emoticon]

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RambleOnNW wrote:

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Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

Thanks, my bad. Meant Pantheon. All the more amazing since it has a concrete dome. With no reinforcing steel.

Agreed, there’s multiple engineering feats we can’t match today.

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Cr@p, now my Cheetos are going to be late!! What is going on here? Been out a month and they are already breaking down.

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Musk said that the drivetrain is guaranteed to last 1 million miles and it happens to share many components with Tesla’s passenger vehicles.

Well hell. That didn't age well!!

It looks like the Tesla Semi is going to be the new Windows ME. Or perhaps the the Iphone 5C?

Oops, this is a towing forum so I will say maybe the Tesla Semi will be the newer 5.7 Olds diesel or the Ford 6.0 diesel? [emoticon]

Now come on fan bois start with the "it's a new product and there are bound to be problems." Go on.....lets hear the Tesla fans!!!

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Right, because everyone knows diesel semis don't break down. Ever

map40

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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Cr@p, now my Cheetos are going to be late!! What is going on here? Been out a month and they are already breaking down.

Tusk wrote:

Musk said that the drivetrain is guaranteed to last 1 million miles and it happens to share many components with Tesla’s passenger vehicles.

Now come on fan bois start with the "it's a new product and there are bound to be problems." Go on.....lets hear the Tesla fans!!!

It is a new product, but Tesla was never known by their quality. Or said a different way, their quality is sub-par at best, statistically speaking.
That said, there is no need to troll...

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map40 wrote:

Tesla was never known by their quality.

Any one I ever looked at close, no matter the model,3, X, S, doesn't matter, had the worst job of body panel alignment I've ever seen. They need to go to a good body shop for a going over before they ever hit the road. The body panels were aligned better on 1970's Ford Mavericks and Pintos.

fj12ryder

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stsmark wrote:

RambleOnNW wrote:

stsmark wrote:

Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

Thanks, my bad. Meant Pantheon. All the more amazing since it has a concrete dome. With no reinforcing steel.

Agreed, there’s multiple engineering feats we can’t match today.

Uh, no not really.

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Benny37 wrote:

map40 wrote:

Tesla was never known by their quality.

Really! Tesla is building an innovative looking car to compete with a Maserati! I can't imagine much effort was put in making sure TEsla had the cleanest lines in the industry. Tesla had much bigger challenges than body panel alignment.
Their innovation is certainly not about the body panels.
Their innovation transformed EV's from economy minded commuter boxes that the mainstream manufactures were struggling to build.
To a totally new concept that delivered enough performance and viability that it threatens to eliminate ICE cars in the future.
AS I keep saying you need to drive a Tesla to understand that the EV revolution is all about. Debating/chastising body panel alignment totally misses the boat!

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map40

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Posted: 01/21/23 08:29am

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Benny37 wrote:

map40 wrote:

Tesla was never known by their quality.

Agreed. Their fit and finish was awful at the beginning and it is barely acceptable now. Systems besides the electric powertrain have a track record 3 times less reliable than the industry average, and the repairs are very difficult unless in a Tesla dealership and even then they are incredible slow.
But I have a particular point of view, quite simple. If so many people are buying them, there must be something good about them. And there is; they are incredible cars. Otherwise, why would people buy so many of them?
Now that the rest of the industry is catching up they are going to be more pressed to improve (right now is the first time in which they are not behind in orders), but when you had 99% of the market 10 years ago you can only loose market share.
For the purpose of this thread, we already made the point that EVs are good for some applications. Some people can successfully use them to tow light trailers, but when you get to heavy trailers (5000# or more) the current technology is not too convenient.

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map40 wrote:

It is a new product, but Tesla was never known by their quality. Or said a different way, their quality is sub-par at best, statistically speaking.
That said, there is no need to troll...

Right on!! So when FedX “absolutely, positively has to be there overnight” can I assume that they won't use a Tesla Semi? After all "Tesla was never known by their quality. Or said a different way, their quality is sub-par at best, statistically speaking." (your words not mine)

So if you had to have a pacemaker put in your chest, would you want one that is "sub-par at best"? Or do you want one that will 100% be the very best and reliable pacemaker on the market?

Unlike people that put up with their electric cars that don't work, the shipping world is MUCH less forgiving x's the 100th power.

I'm much like the shipping world. I just signed a retainer for a lawyer because my electric car maker moved my fix date out another 2 months. In two months it will be a year that my car has been in the shop. Nice hu? [emoticon]