thomas201 wrote:

So much wheel spinning on EVs, what if they are not the right path forward? The biggest problem with renewable power and EVs is storage, the second is storage, and the third is storage. Another path is carbon capture from the atmosphere (using amine scrubbing like nuclear subs and carbon dioxide from natural gas) then splitting hydrogen from water, followed by building whatever hydrocarbon you need.

The US Navy is hard at work on this project, since it avoids storage of large amounts of jet fuel, and the difficult job of resupply of jet fuel at sea to the carriers. After all fire kills ships. The Fords were built with a very large excess electric generation capacity for this reason and many others.

Porsche now has a pilot project running in South America, Porsche syn fuel

This will work wherever you have cheap electricity and water. The products are put right into refinery feeds. No need to rebuild the approximately 1.5 Billion cars in the world. Solves storage, no worry about hydrogen embrittlement, recycles carbon dioxide, we use the existing liquid fuel distribution system. Transparent to the car/truck owner.

JRscooby wrote:




Is it deliberate that you don't mention the fuel efficiency mandates made cars go much farther on gallon of fuel? And some of that tech is transferred to EV.




Skyrocketing cost? Yes much of the crude is used for non-fuel products, much is plastic. Now, with much of the cost of getting oil to market paid for by motorist, it is cheaper to make new plastic packaging, instead of out of recycled, or even better reusing the containers. (You remember taking pop bottles back to store? IIRC, much of what we bought then was in glass jars. Glass containers can be cleaned/reused) If the cost of getting rid of the container/harm done to environment, was included in price of bottle pancake syrup, would it be cheaper to clean glass bottle?
And for decades the percentage of asphalt recycled has increased. As the price of the oil has gone up, technology to recycle has improved. Now I know some city/state contracts require a percentage of "virgin" material, but that can change. And if it is recycled, it is not in a fill.

mkirsch wrote:



The Wright Brothers had pencils and rulers. We have much more advanced technology that can do the design, analysis and calculations much more quickly.

Had the Wrights had current computer technology at their disposal, they could have made their first flight from Kitty Hawk to LaGuardia in a Boeing 707 in a week, instead of taking years to figure out how to make their contraption fly 120 feet.

In other words it should not take us nearly 66 years to perfect an alternative. We can make advancements much more quickly now.

ronharmless wrote:

Would that be the same 7% to 14% who didn’t believe that Covid would kill 10 times more people than the flu? Well guess what?

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NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

valhalla360 wrote:


Actually, mandates haven't had a lot of impact. Most of the big jumps in efficiency happened when fuel prices spiked and the customers chose to buy higher MPG vehicles. Mandates without a fuel price spike have typically resulted in circumvention of the rules...Example: the proliferation of the mighty SUV "truck" that is for all practical purposes just a station wagon rebranded.

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Working in the industry, recycled asphalt is very limited on roadway projects and that's where the vast majority is used. The problem is as the asphalt ages, it "dries out" and becomes less effective as a binder in the asphalt concrete. When it's used, it's typically more for political reasons as opposed to engineering and capped at 5-10%, so as not to impact the quality of the pavement too much. Reducing the amount of virgin asphalt used by 50% but having to repave twice as often, doesn't provide much benefit. Ground up it does make a nice gravel for driveways.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:



You do know the death rate went DOWN during the woo flu don't you?

Imagine that Link And this during when the baby boomers are starting to kick off from old age.