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Reisender
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As far as electric half tons, Rivian still has a 15 month waiting list. I’m not sure if there is or how long the waiting list is for the ford lightning. Prices seem to have stabilized somewhat for fords. Rivians are non negotiable.
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valhalla360 wrote:Groover wrote:opnspaces wrote:^^ I second this and add I always buy used over paying the inflated prices for brand new.
I mostly buy new because the used trucks that I have found generally either cost as much as a new one or have been totally ragged out. I suspect that most people trading for a new vehicle focus on how much the dealer is giving them for the used one are oblivious to the fact that they are paying way too much for the new vehicle. Then they honestly believe that their used truck is actually worth what the dealer was offering.
Some years ago I special ordered a loaded F250 and about 5 years later I saw someone advertising essentially the same truck, including year model, and he was asking more than I had paid for mine new.
If you are buying 1-2yr old trucks, the financials gets questionable at times.
You have to do some looking when buying used but the last 3 - 3/4 tons have been used around 10yrs old. No significant mechanical problems. Bought each at around 10yrs old and got 5-7yrs before selling fully functional but looking a bit scruffy (Michigan salt roads are hard on the truck bodies).
Current 2008 was bought for $10k. The sticker in the glove compartment says MSRP was north of $50k. I can do a lot of repairs for $40k (or $30k if you claim it was originally sold at significant discount)...and so far nothing other than normal maintenance (oil change, tires, brakes, type stuff).
Really hard to justify buying new.
I’m with ya 100%. Just bought a 24 year old SUV for another beater commuter mobile.
$3500, with only 90k miles and looks like most 5 year old soccer mobiles. Light wear. Had been cared for pretty well. Runs like new. I like free transportation!
But WE want everyone else to buy more new vehicles so there’s a better selection for US!
I think everyone should go buy a new diesel pickup! Lol.
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Per an employee at the Ft. Wane GM truck plant the shutdown is because a Michigan supplier is behind on parts. Don't know what bologna GM is trying to spin to the world.
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Grit dog
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Reisender wrote:As far as electric half tons, Rivian still has a 15 month waiting list. I’m not sure if there is or how long the waiting list is for the ford lightning. Prices seem to have stabilized somewhat for fords. Rivians are non negotiable.
Lightning must be zero now? Been a couple lightnings sitting in the dealer lineup in Kent, WA for at least a few weeks now.
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Grit dog wrote:Reisender wrote:As far as electric half tons, Rivian still has a 15 month waiting list. I’m not sure if there is or how long the waiting list is for the ford lightning. Prices seem to have stabilized somewhat for fords. Rivians are non negotiable.
Lightning must be zero now? Been a couple lightnings sitting in the dealer lineup in Kent, WA for at least a few weeks now.
If its not zero, it perhaps should be. Hope the dealer in Kent has his insurance paid and fresh batteries in the smoke detectors LOL.
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lenr wrote:Per an employee at the Ft. Wane GM truck plant the shutdown is because a Michigan supplier is behind on parts. Don't know what bologna GM is trying to spin to the world.
GM is now selling cold cuts?
As far as GM HD trucks go, they say the 2024 GMC will be available "Spring 2023" and on the Chevy site they have pages for the 2024 Silverados. If the 2024s are going to be available in a month or 3 they have to stop making 2023's at some point, especially since you cant find one regardless. Hows that for spin?
Seeing that not long ago financing on say a $60K pickup for 72 months could be had for 1.9% or less, and now they're advertising a wonderful great deal at 4.9% for 72, that extra $100.00 per month or close to it on a payment has to put something into a glut.
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Danger Don wrote:Grit dog wrote:Reisender wrote:As far as electric half tons, Rivian still has a 15 month waiting list. I’m not sure if there is or how long the waiting list is for the ford lightning. Prices seem to have stabilized somewhat for fords. Rivians are non negotiable.
Lightning must be zero now? Been a couple lightnings sitting in the dealer lineup in Kent, WA for at least a few weeks now.
If its not zero, it perhaps should be. Hope the dealer in Kent has his insurance paid and fresh batteries in the smoke detectors LOL.
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Are you sure you aren't thinking about ICE Ram trucks? Seems like more of a risk to me.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ram-dodge-recalls-pickup-trucks-chassis-trucks/
Quote:Stellantis is telling the owners of nearly 341,000 Ram diesel trucks to park them outdoors because an electrical connector can overheat and cause a fire.
The company said Wednesday it's recalling the trucks to replace the connectors after getting reports of six potentially related fires. In one case, the owner reported that a fire started after the truck's engine was shut off.
The recall covers certain Ram 2500 and 3500 pickups and Ram 3500, 4500 and 5500 chassis cab trucks from the 2021 through 2023 model years. All have 6.7-liter Cummins diesel engines with older heater-grid connectors.
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propchef wrote:Danger Don wrote:Grit dog wrote:Reisender wrote:As far as electric half tons, Rivian still has a 15 month waiting list. I’m not sure if there is or how long the waiting list is for the ford lightning. Prices seem to have stabilized somewhat for fords. Rivians are non negotiable.
Lightning must be zero now? Been a couple lightnings sitting in the dealer lineup in Kent, WA for at least a few weeks now.
If its not zero, it perhaps should be. Hope the dealer in Kent has his insurance paid and fresh batteries in the smoke detectors LOL.
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Are you sure you aren't thinking about ICE Ram trucks? Seems like more of a risk to me.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ram-dodge-recalls-pickup-trucks-chassis-trucks/
Quote:Stellantis is telling the owners of nearly 341,000 Ram diesel trucks to park them outdoors because an electrical connector can overheat and cause a fire.
The company said Wednesday it's recalling the trucks to replace the connectors after getting reports of six potentially related fires. In one case, the owner reported that a fire started after the truck's engine was shut off.
The recall covers certain Ram 2500 and 3500 pickups and Ram 3500, 4500 and 5500 chassis cab trucks from the 2021 through 2023 model years. All have 6.7-liter Cummins diesel engines with older heater-grid connectors.
Maybe LOL. In the case of the 150 Lightning, reading through the linked article, it appears Fords problem may be a little more involved than an electrical connector on a wire somewhere.
“The teams worked quickly to identify the root cause of the issue,” Ford said in a statement Friday. “We agree with SK’s recommended changes in their equipment and processes for SK’s cell production lines.”
That makes it sound like you might have F150 lightnings on the road or in showrooms with defective batteries installed, not exactly a wait in the lounge while its addressed item by a longshot. But then again it's Ford lol.
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Dadoffourgirls
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Danger Don wrote:...As far as GM HD trucks go, they say the 2024 GMC will be available "Spring 2023" and on the Chevy site they have pages for the 2024 Silverados. If the 2024s are going to be available in a month or 3 they have to stop making 2023's at some point, especially since you cant find one regardless. Hows that for spin?
Seeing that not long ago financing on say a $60K pickup for 72 months could be had for 1.9% or less, and now they're advertising a wonderful great deal at 4.9% for 72, that extra $100.00 per month or close to it on a payment has to put something into a glut.
Yes, GM is only taking orders for 2024 models. I was going to order a 2024 to replace the $79k 2022 3500 CCSB Duramax loaded LTZ that I bought to flip. I paid $67k out the door with tax/reg. Except GM has a new policy that employees cannot sell vehicles for a profit for 12 months after purchase. I am also waiting to see how the 10 sp with the gas engine performs. That might be my choice. And I may just keep my truck I got to flip because of the cost to finance another.
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^ How on earth would they know if you “made a profit?”
I sell or buy “$1500” vehicles and toys all the time….or sell or buy them as family “gifts.”
That’s just for the tax man though. My boss doesn’t care because I don’t work for a car company. Same principles apply though.
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