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ferndaleflyer
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only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
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Durb
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ferndaleflyer wrote:only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
This may work well for many on this forum. A young couple that wants to take their kids camping would probably not go without a reservation as they have to schedule vacation time from their jobs and make numerous preparations. Driving 4 hours to find no sites would be a hardship. That is why it is such a shame to see the sites in state parks go empty because people are gaming the reservation systems. Nothing will change until not showing up the first night hits the gamers really, really hard in the wallet.
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toedtoes
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The National Parks have started doing a restriction on reservation changes to stop the holiday weekend gamers. Now, if you make a reservation, you have to wait 15 days before you can change it.
So, say you want the 4th of July weekend this year. Before you could book a site for June 16-30th as soon as the window open. Then in the next couple days, you change it to June 21 - July 5th. Then way down the road, you change it to June 30 - July 5th.
Now, if you book the site for June 16 - 30, you can't make any changes until AFTER that site has opened to the general public for the 1st of July, so anyone can come in and book the holiday weekend before you can change your reservation.
For folks who book two weeks just to show on the weekend, simply requiring a "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you lose the entire reservation" policy works well.
For actual no shows and repeat cancellations, I think a sliding penalty scale is the way.
Stuff happens and penalizing everyone harshly for a single cancellation or no show is unsympathetic for the folks who had a breakdown on the way to the campground, etc.
So, for the first no show in a calendar year, it's a $50 fee ($75 if for a holiday weekend reservation). And you forfeit your reservation fees.
For the second no show, it's a $200 fee ($300 for a holiday weekend reservation) and you forfeit your reservation fee.
For the third no show, it's a $500 fee ($750 for a holiday weekend reservation), forfeit your reservation AND your account is banned from making any reservations for the following calendar year.
For cancellations, if you cancel more than 90 days out, it is a $20 fee.
If you cancel 30-89 days out it is a $50 fee.
If you cancel 7-29 days out , it is a $75 fee.
If you cancel less than 7 days out, it is a $200 fee.
However, if you have cancelled once already in the calendar year, the fee is doubled. If you have cancelled twice already, the fee is tripled AND your account cannot make any reservations for the next year.
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bigred1cav
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If I pay in advance and am unable to show, why is it an offense. They have my money and no maintenance fir my empty site.
Durb wrote:ferndaleflyer wrote:only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
This may work well for many on this forum. A young couple that wants to take their kids camping would probably not go without a reservation as they have to schedule vacation time from their jobs and make numerous preparations. Driving 4 hours to find no sites would be a hardship. That is why it is such a shame to see the sites in state parks go empty because people are gaming the reservation systems. Nothing will change until not showing up the first night hits the gamers really, really hard in the wallet.
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bigred1cav wrote:If I pay in advance and am unable to show, why is it an offense. They have my money and no maintenance fir my empty site.
Durb wrote:ferndaleflyer wrote:only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
This may work well for many on this forum. A young couple that wants to take their kids camping would probably not go without a reservation as they have to schedule vacation time from their jobs and make numerous preparations. Driving 4 hours to find no sites would be a hardship. That is why it is such a shame to see the sites in state parks go empty because people are gaming the reservation systems. Nothing will change until not showing up the first night hits the gamers really, really hard in the wallet.
Because the site was left vacant and unable to be used by anyone else.
Full occupancy is the goal not full payment.
You failed to occupy the site now you are in violation
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bigred1cav wrote:If I pay in advance and am unable to show, why is it an offense. They have my money and no maintenance fir my empty site.
Durb wrote:ferndaleflyer wrote:only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
This may work well for many on this forum. A young couple that wants to take their kids camping would probably not go without a reservation as they have to schedule vacation time from their jobs and make numerous preparations. Driving 4 hours to find no sites would be a hardship. That is why it is such a shame to see the sites in state parks go empty because people are gaming the reservation systems. Nothing will change until not showing up the first night hits the gamers really, really hard in the wallet.
For a private RV Park/campground that's fine.
But public campgrounds are for the use of the people not for profits. If people are locking up campsites and not showing, then the government agency is not meeting its purpose.
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ferndaleflyer wrote:only let them book a week or so in advance. First come first served.
That would pretty much tell out of staters the state does not want their out of state money.
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So? Charge their credit card because they didn't show, they tell credit Co they weren't their and charge is removed. So how does that help? Joe resident down the street that pays his taxes here can't get a spot because daddy big bucks reserves a spot for 2 weeks a year in advance then don't show, how does that work? Looks like the out of staters are playing the system, maybe. How about charging out of staters more and limiting how far in advance everyone can reserve? Who has a real solution? As I said above, I pay to get spots in private parks so I have never had a problem
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Part of the problem is understaffing across the board. From State workers to camphosts to administrating companies like CLM. Last year we stayed at our go to CG several different times. It's a chain of small dry campgrounds that follow a river. 9 total. There's usually a camp host at every CG. Last year there was one for the whole 9 CG's. He was underpaid and way way overworked.
Same thing in the State parks we frequent. Fewer hosts and the kiosks are open far less as well.
I'm sure there's an easy way to handle all the res issues but it takes more people than they have.
Rules are not enforced and some some CGs just don't care if a person doesn't show up. They got their money. I don't think any of the management firms are looking at ways to make a profit off no shows.
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