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Grit dog
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^Yup, no argument there. Also doesn’t differentiate between BP and 5ver/GN.
Also the 12k is based on BP with WDH and tailored to the published limits of the factory hitch receiver.
And the 2002 GM trailering guide says 16klbs + (doesn’t say exact, it’s a bar chart) for 5ver towing, “when properly equipped”.
(another fun fact, it shows approx 1000lbs more 5ver rating for 2500s vs 3500s, for those that are living and dying by the “smart engineers who published these ratings”. Lol. Now be honest, does that actually make sense?)
And since all 2500HD 2002 Duramax pickups are “equipped” the same. IE same exact drivetrain, cooling, horsepower, axles, brakes, final gear ratio, etc, they are all reasonably “properly equipped”.
Now maybe the OP will be convinced that he’s getting bad intel from most of the crowd here….
Nevermind the fact that in the owners manual your quoting, GM curiously rated ALL 2500 and 3500 trucks srw or dual (also no differentiation) with a big block/4.10s or with a diesel, EXACTLY the same for max BP trailer weight and GCVW. (Btw, gcvw allows for more than 12k on the hook if you do the math, considering payload / gvw was not considered).
Apologies, that’s a lot of words to say you’re wrong, and I’m sure the peanut gallery will be offended. But my explanation was to help the OP (and others who aren’t self proclaimed arm chair pros) understand and not be steered in the wrong direction.
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grit,
in 02 a SW3500 did not exist. so the 1000 lbs less tow capacity is due to the extra wieght of the training wheels on a 3500. both had a 21000 gcw iirc. the 23500 gcw for duals came out a year or two later, as did the 9900 gvw sw3500 with 265-75-16 rubber, iirc a 6800 ra vs the lower amount for the 2500.
i believe from memory, the AAM 11.5 ra used is good itself to north of 11000 lbds or so.
vs the 10.5 version at 9-10k lbs.
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Grit dog
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^ Good info Marty, thanks. Hence the lack of differentiation between the 2 lol.
Regardless, the truck the OP is referencing IS rated tow 5ver tow the delta between its curb weight and 22k gcvw. Which is 15-16k +lbs.
And the 6084 srw rawr is silly low, “properly equipped”. Fwiw.
Basically ditch the pizza cutter 16s, skip the hard to find 17s, throw a set of nice inexpensive newer 18 or 20” takeoffs and the rawr jumps immediately to 7200ish.
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I had a 2002 2500HD with the 6.0L. The GVWR was 9200lbs.
2001-2010 2500HD GM trucks (GMT 800 & 900 body style) had the same 9200lb GVWR.
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Check the payload sticker on the door jamb. You have access to the actual truck unlike the guy buying new.
Payload is typically the limiting number with 5ers due to pin weight counting against Payload. I would be shocked if you have enough Payload to tow a 16k trailer.
A travel trailer is probably better suited since the hitch weight tends to be much lower.
Or you can listen to the guys who know more the manufacturer.
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valhalla360 wrote:Check the payload sticker on the door jamb. You have access to the actual truck unlike the guy buying new.
Payload is typically the limiting number with 5ers due to pin weight counting against Payload. I would be shocked if you have enough Payload to tow a 16k trailer.
A travel trailer is probably better suited since the hitch weight tends to be much lower.
Or you can listen to the guys who know more the manufacturer.
Yes, and you could post a picture of the payload sticker.
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Tvov wrote:valhalla360 wrote:Check the payload sticker on the door jamb. You have access to the actual truck unlike the guy buying new.
Payload is typically the limiting number with 5ers due to pin weight counting against Payload. I would be shocked if you have enough Payload to tow a 16k trailer.
A travel trailer is probably better suited since the hitch weight tends to be much lower.
Or you can listen to the guys who know more the manufacturer.
Yes, and you could post a picture of the payload sticker.
There was no "Payload Sticker" in 2002, didn't really start until 2006. It will have a VIN sticker with GVWR and GAWRs.
Payload stickers are only valid as the truck leaves the factory, anything added by dealer or owner will reduce that number. The only way to know for sure is to take the truck to the scales ready to tow.
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Quote: "I would stick with a 12k-13k gvwr (9000 lb dry weight) 5th wheel trailer as a max size."
This is a good example, for the truck OP is asking about.
Nope...no tire loading placard (payload sticker) on this older truck. Don't need one anyway! This HD truck is designed to carry the full RAWR, when towing a FW.
Good to weigh the truck, most important, a separate rear axle weight. A lot depends on condition of a 20 YO truck, as to putting money into improving capability. Jim's recommendation, that I quoted, is a safe size load for that truck, as is, which is the manufacturer's axle rating.
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The 2002 4x4 2500 shortbox crew cab with the Duramax had a max 5th wheel towing capacity of 15.300 lbs.
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Are you just looking to tow the trailer from where you buy it to your permanent spot or are you looking to travel around using that truck? It seems from the post you live in a stationary trailer on a lot somewhere. If you are looking to haul one time that is different from worrying about lots of travel. One option if you find a 5th wheel larger than the 2500 can tow, just pay someone to deliver it. I would stay in the 12-14K range if it is a 1 time tow to your lot. Don't want to have problems if you are borrowing a truck.
Also, do you have a 5th wheel hitch? A lot of people just think they can use a gooseneck hitch, so be careful of that. You don't want to bend a frame just getting something home.
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