Golden_HVAC wrote:



It takes Ford 5 years to go from a design to produce the tooling to install that tooling in a factory to actual production of a new vehicle. So if the 2025 F-150 EV is coming out in September of 2024, then 5 year before (September of 2019) is when Ford decided what it will look like and started to change the design from a computer drawing into the tooling they need to produce the truck.

By January of 2021, Ford knew what the 2025 F-150 looks like and has the tool and die makers producing that stuff. Ford could make a minor change, such as changing from a 130 to a 150 KW battery pack at this point, but by the spring of 2024, it will be to late to make such a change. And they want something new to put into the 2026 model refresh, so they might not want to start out with a 150 KW battery option until the 2026 model year update.

Ram is making a ridiculous 190 and optional 230 KW battery pack. By using 8 bolt rims, it seems to have a over 8,500 GVWR, so the highest of all the Big 3 at this point. Towing a fifth wheel is actually going to be possible. With the battery cell cost of about $150 per KW, that is about $15,000 for the 100 KW battery pack, twice as much for this size truck, no wonder they will not give out the total price! Maybe RAM is hoping that the price of batteries will drop below $100 per KW by 2025.

People towing with a Rivian and Lightning are getting about 1/2 of the rated mileage when not towing. So the 500 mile range, if they actually reach that, expect about 200 - 250 miles while towing a travel trailer that is lower profile, and a little less in a fifth wheel that is taller and more wind! That is still acceptable, as your can charge it very quickly because it is 800 volt battery, and can get about 200 amps X 800 volts or 160 KW into the battery - so a 30 - 45 minute charge will fill it a lot.

I think that most cars are currently limited to 400 volts from the charger, and the power cord is limited to only about 300 amps maximum.

The RAM has some great specs. I just wish they had come up with the design before 2020. And could have it in production by the end of 2023. But as the superbowl ad says "We do not want premature electrification".

I also think Ford thought the EV F-150 would not be popular, and that only 10,000 a year might be sold, and might end up collecting dust on the parking lots. Where they wrong with that prediction!

Lets hope that Ford has a heavy duty F-250 EV truck planned for 2026! I think they will need it!

Fred.

vern kelly wrote:

But the torque is not not 400 foot pound at a measly 1500 RPMs with 450 at 2500! Now that is a long stroke gasser! The Hemi is great, towed horse trailers with one and had a direct comparison with mine. The transmission was fantastic too! The cummins diesel was the best though (2016) and loved the exhaust braking and auto leveling feature.

Hope their EV version competes with Ford despite all the issues.

pianotuna wrote:

I happened to go to the CAA site today and clicked on a link for BEV's available for sale in Canada. I was pleasantly surprised to see over 100 different vehicles.

The lowest price was 39,498 cdn. Cheapest was the Leaf, and next in line was the Bolt EV LT @ 40,797

pianotuna wrote:

CWilson,

Thanks for the information.

Goody that you wish to pollute the planet, while the oil companies make billions of dollars while being subsidized by the government.